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Originally posted by Webby
theking:
OK.. I hear all this... I've sat down and read some of this stuff with those in the US whose chosen profession is healthcare. I doubt they would agree with you.
This is not about people in these professions.. there are many .. well.. damned excellent people there with firm beliefs in what they are doing.. and they do it well.
The bottom line is... education in the US is.. I dunno if it ever was high (I don't know the history of education in the US) ... but currently it is... well "not too good"! I suspect it was good at some point ... if you look at the numbers of folks who visited the US for further education, this was fairly high. But has kinda plunged in the last few years in preference to education in several other countries. (This ain't connected to 9/11 problems blah)
In healthcare... sorry.. I just can't agree!  The US has one of the worst healthcare systems in the western world. BUT.. again, I know a good few doctors there and it ain't them that are causing the problems.. tis the system.. it sinks to hell and back.
Tis corrupt as hell and tied heavily to politics... but then, ya know all that!
In "my Utopia" I know a couple of US docs... they sure as hell ain't got one ounce of sympathy for the US healthcare system! I had my ears bashed with this long enough with them! These are guys who tried damned hard to treat folks and are just totally pissed off with the system, - so they "escaped" and function well in "Utopia" 
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Education (including a college education) is available to all that have an average IQ and the will to attend. Scholarships...State and Federal grants...Job Study Programs...and student loans. No one in the USA is deprived of attending college. There is an abundance of health care...and free health care...it is just that not everyone has private insurance for health care and that is the squawk. The lack of ability for the poor to attend college is a myth...and the lack of health carre for the poor is a myth.
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You said the above is dribble. I pointed out to you that it isn't. A college education and health care is available to all at little to no expense.
Now you are switching to quality of education and quality of health care. Well...OK.
The United States used to be number one in the world for literacy and may still be. The quality of lower education has been on the decline since the sixties and there are a multitude of reasons for this and could be corrected if the powers that be would get serious about it and I think that, at some point in time, with further decline they will get serious about it. It is not a lack of funding that is the primary problem with lower education...but in some parts of the nation more funding would be useful.
I do not know it to be fact, but I suspect that more people from other countries attend our Universities than any country on the earth.
The quality of health care in the USA is as good as any. The USA pretty much leads the field in medical technology and procedures. The wealthy from all around the world still come to the USA for treatment (which is not to say that some do not go to a few other countries).