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  • Ethersync
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    • Mar 2008
    • 5289

    #91
    Originally posted by directfiesta
    .. but he did send you a " stimulus " check of 600.00 or so ? ( added to the deficit ).
    Didn't hear the baggers and fiscally responsable conservatives complain on this board ...
    Well, I complained about it and a lot of people I know did as well. Please don't lump us all together. Just because someone does not like what Obama is doing it does not mean they like what Bush did
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    • Ethersync
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      • Mar 2008
      • 5289

      #92
      Originally posted by TheDoc
      We had taxes back then, sales and others...including income, just income went on and off, so yes in some ways they did help.
      There was a tax of 3% only on income over $20,000 (modern equivalent) in 1861 to pay for the Civil War. The rate changed slightly a year later and it ended altogether in 1866. So, yes for only the first year of the date range I gave there was an income tax of between 0% and 5% depending on income. Then in 1894 there was a 2% tax on income over ~$80,000 (modern equivalent) after the panic of 1893. The panic of 1893 was largely, if not entirely, caused by the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, which was an attempt by the US government to inflate the value of silver since the market was flooded with it, and the McKinley Tariff which put a near 50% import tax on good brought into the US. The huge supply of newly printed silver notes were used by people to exchange for gold notes causing the US government to run out of gold. Then the shit hit the fan until, I believe it was, JP Morgan bailed out the US Government with a gold loan. So, I misspoke when I said the government did not try to do stupid shit back then. They did in the 1890s, but thankfully they were limited in the damage they could do unlike now.
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      • GatorB
        The Demon & 12clicks
        • Oct 2001
        • 18208

        #93
        Originally posted by Ethersync
        Then in 1894 there was a 2% tax on income over ~$80,000 (modern equivalent) after the panic of 1893. The panic of 1893 was largely, if not entirely, caused by the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, which was an attempt by the US government to inflate the value of silver since the market was flooded with it, and the McKinley Tariff which put a near 50% import tax on good brought into the US. The huge supply of newly printed silver notes were used by people to exchange for gold notes causing the US government to run out of gold. Then the shit hit the fan until, I believe it was, JP Morgan bailed out the US Government with a gold loan. So, I misspoke when I said the government did not try to do stupid shit back then. They did in the 1890s, but thankfully they were limited in the damage they could do unlike now.
        By the way McKinley was a republican.

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        • Barry-xlovecam
          It's 42
          • Jun 2010
          • 18083

          #94
          Originally posted by Ethersync
          [We] were on a gold standard until 1971 so printing money was not an option like it is now. If money was needed taxes went up. We were also a creditor nation. We were lending money to other countries and not borrowing like now. Also, our actual tax rate is not entirely accurate because we are taxed through inflation now more so than ever. $1 in 2010 (was worth $0.18 in 1970.) is worth $0.18 in 1970 dollars ...

          Flashback:

          Nixon's declaratory devaluation of the dollar, twice, started this long term inflation that is sill with us today. This was done for reason of a large war debt, the war in Vietnam. And now there is a new war debt, that of Iraq and Afghanistan, and history is repeating itself.

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          • Ethersync
            Confirmed User
            • Mar 2008
            • 5289

            #95
            Originally posted by GatorB
            By the way McKinley was a republican.
            So what? I'm not a Republican and I'm not loyal to any party.
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            • 12clicks
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jan 2001
              • 19813

              #96
              Originally posted by TheDoc
              It was America's gold rush that sparked that economic boom.
              Haha, I was reading thru thismornings bullshit and almost replied to tony404's idiot statement but then I saw this one.

              I love guys who aren't smart enough to figure out what's happening currently retailing history like no one will notice.
              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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              • 12clicks
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jan 2001
                • 19813

                #97
                Originally posted by GatorB
                Yeah let's do away with ALL taxes and things will be sooo much better. I mean we won't have a military or decent roads or bridges or police or fire dept or lots of other things but we'll have all this fucking money to spend.
                If only the likes of you were forced to pay your fair share......
                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                • TheDoc
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 13827

                  #98
                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                  Haha, I was reading thru thismornings bullshit and almost replied to tony404's idiot statement but then I saw this one.

                  I love guys who aren't smart enough to figure out what's happening currently retailing history like no one will notice.
                  What?

                  Go read some freakin history man, wow... the gold rush created a huge movement of people, it created an entire new economy of people buying everything they needed, new banks/cities created, more people with time to invent, money to buy supplies, it created new technology, new wealth, new business... this all sparked investments in companies, bonds, which exploded in growth with industrial growth and a ton of other crap. It funded/created the need for the railway system across the Country, which laid out communication's across the Country. The 1800's industrial growth, spiked, after the main gold rush. Gold supplied our eco during the 1800's, it rebuilt us, the rush's helped greatly in tons of ways - and bad in many as well.

                  Bah... just the fact that it moved people, is reason alone.

                  Now.... would you like to actually inject with some knowledge or do we get blessed with more morning coffee spit up?
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                  • seeandsee
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                    #99
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                    • PornoMonster
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                      • Mar 2003
                      • 2257

                      #100
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                      • 12clicks
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 19813

                        #101
                        Originally posted by TheDoc
                        What?

                        Go read some freakin history man, wow... the gold rush created a huge movement of people, it created an entire new economy of people buying everything they needed, new banks/cities created, more people with time to invent, money to buy supplies, it created new technology, new wealth, new business... this all sparked investments in companies, bonds, which exploded in growth with industrial growth and a ton of other crap. It funded/created the need for the railway system across the Country, which laid out communication's across the Country. The 1800's industrial growth, spiked, after the main gold rush. Gold supplied our eco during the 1800's, it rebuilt us, the rush's helped greatly in tons of ways - and bad in many as well.

                        Bah... just the fact that it moved people, is reason alone.

                        Now.... would you like to actually inject with some knowledge or do we get blessed with more morning coffee spit up?
                        Oh please, clown.
                        Last time you pretended to know something I rubbed your nose in what you didn't know about the Clinton tax hikes.
                        Run along and find a link that says the gold rush was the cause of the boom times of 1900.
                        Dope
                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                        • TheDoc
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jul 2001
                          • 13827

                          #102
                          Originally posted by 12clicks
                          Oh please, clown.
                          Last time you pretended to know something I rubbed your nose in what you didn't know about the Clinton tax hikes.
                          Run along and find a link that says the gold rush was the cause of the boom times of 1900.
                          Dope
                          yes, you rubbed my nose in the first 4 years of Clinton being office while ignoring the last 4 years. Good job as usual!

                          "In fact 1870s and 1880s we experienced our fastest economic growth rates ever."

                          Sorry ol'chum, we're talking about a period of time before the 1900's... nice fail twist though.

                          Speaking of dope, have too much of it this morning?
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                          • moeloubani
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 4235

                            #103
                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                            Oh please, clown.
                            Last time you pretended to know something I rubbed your nose in what you didn't know about the Clinton tax hikes.
                            Run along and find a link that says the gold rush was the cause of the boom times of 1900.
                            Dope
                            Was it like when you pretended to know something and I rubbed your nose in what you didn't know? LOL

                            12clicks you fail horribly hard.

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