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Originally Posted by GatorB
How does the armed forces get supplied and the roads and bridges get repaired and police of fire departments run without taxes nimrod?
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What did we have first? roads or the state? bridges or the state? weapons or the state?
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Originally Posted by GatorB
I'm sorry, but if you don't have government you have anarchy and anarchy is NOT freedom?
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define anarchy.
Anarchism isn't chaos. It's voluntary association. You buy the services you want to buy, from the provider you want to use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
"Building on the Austrian School's concept of spontaneous order, support for a free market in money production and condemnation of central planning, Rothbard advocated abolition of coercive government control of the economy. He considered the monopoly force of government the greatest danger to liberty and the long-term well-being of the populace, labeling the State as nothing but a "gang of thieves writ large"?the locus of the most immoral, grasping and unscrupulous individuals in any society.
Rothbard concluded that all services provided by monopoly governments could be provided more efficiently by the private sector. He viewed many regulations and laws ostensibly promulgated for the "public interest" as self-interested power grabs by scheming government bureaucrats engaging in dangerously unfettered self-aggrandizement, as they were not subject to market disciplines which would quickly eliminate such parasitic inefficiencies if they were to occur in the competitive private sector.
Rothbard was equally condemning of state corporatism. He criticized many instances where business elites co-opted government's monopoly power so as to influence laws and regulatory policy in a manner benefiting them at the expense of their competitive rivals.
He argued that taxation represents coercive theft on a grand scale ... He also considered central banking and fractional reserve banking under a monopoly fiat money system a form of state-sponsored, legalized financial fraud, antithetical to libertarian principles and ethics."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism
"Voluntaryism is a philosophy according to which all forms of human association should be voluntary as far as possible. Consequently, voluntaryism opposes the initiation of aggressive force or coercion. The word 'initiation' is used here to make clear that voluntaryism, does not oppose self-defense. Voluntaryism is a form of free market anarchism."
http://www.vforvoluntary.com/
"The Idea: You own your life ? You own the fruits of your labor ? You decide
You are the sole owner of your body and the fruits of your labor. You should be free to sell your labor, to trade with others or to give gifts, without any other person having the right to any of it. Only you should be able to decide what happens to your person and with whom you associate. In either case governments form no exception, and so protection organizations should too rely on voluntary contributions and associations. This is the only way to prevent tyranny."