Originally Posted by Bill8

I'm aware of the ways in which our political models overlap.

I think tho, that if you think the corporations which control your parties will let you do anything about it if you get romney or beck/palin or whomever elected (which I hope you do, because the democrats must be punished for their betrayal), then you are just as deluded as the people who still believe in obama.

you seem entirely uncritical and unanalytical of the clearly false picture you tend to paint, which is that this debt is somehow all or mostly obama's fault, or the dems fault, or liberals fault.

we ALL did this, and arguably the republicans piled on more debt than the democrats. certainly the republicans had the majority during most of the last 30 years.

if you want, we can try to calculate that out. a quick search hasn't yet given me an authoritative source, but the chart in the wiki might be a place to start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...c_debt#History

however, I dont really care if your kind are deluded about causes and solutions - it fits my purposes to use your kind of "willingness to speak and reason falsely" to remove the incumbent dems, to use the outrage and depression that's coming to kick them all out.

you guys dealing with your corrupt politicians is your problem.