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Gerco · 08-19-2010, 12:08 PM

I've been saying the affiliate programs have been dead for a long time. I shut my affiliate program down over a year ago and now only accept people that can prove solid sales. I've turned a lot away. I also don't give my content to just any tom dick and harry to come in and promote. Prove to me you can make sales on the standard stuff, and I'll get you more, but no one is going to come in, get everything then toss it all over hell. Also, if I have to hold your hand your gone. My best affiliates, I never hear from. They come and get what they need, take it and make money. Done. If you have to have me walk you though this or that or create special things for you, basically fuck off. If I'm doing all that work for you then I might as well just post the damn stuff myself and cut you out of the loop.

I've wondered for a long time what real benefit the affiliate model brought. Sure, there is the argument that my stuff is being put places I would not have thought to otherwise and has new eyeballs on it that might come over to the site. But, In my case, the site sells itself anyways via word of mouth. Always has, always will. The negative of the affiliate model is much greater... to many and your saturating the fuck out of your content so you lose any shock value (one of my main selling points).

Sure, there are some good affiliates out there. I have a dozen or so that have been pushing the site for years, some since it started over 10 years ago that still make sales and that's great. Because of that I also have to wonder, is it fair to them to bring in these newbie affiliates who are doing nothing but "in effect" taking sales away from them?

Add to this that affiliates today are NOT like affiliates from just 5 years ago. Todays affiliates want you to do EVERYTHING for them. Give them free content, give them hosting, give them design work, give them bandwidth, give give give... and in effect for all that, expect to make MORE per sale than the site owner. Then they bitch when you try to recoup some of that.

The latest one I read on here was the bitch fest about site owners having affiliate links inside the members area... Dude... once a member is sold, and in my members area, he's mine, not yours. You get paid your fee for the sign up and for the recurring billing but that's were the line is drawn. Why the fuck would I pay out to anyone based on a link inside my own site? Idiotic. Especially as it would be in my case, a link thats there because I worked with the person directly, shot content with them, etc.

It's affiliates like these that have soured site owners and programs in general.

Then lets look at the net today... Where is all the traffic. The fucking tubes. As bad as that is for us pay sites this is the nail in the coffin for affiliates. Why would I pay an affiliate to take my stuff and post it over to a tube site. Why not just let the tube be their own affiliate and cut out the middle man?

That being said, if your thinking of promoting me, and your thinking about doing it on tubes... think otherwise. I'm not interested. I'll provide some content (specific and via my limitations) that I want those tubes to have to promote me.

I guess what it comes down to today is those of us that are stable, and have been around a long time that DIDN'T base their "programs" on the affiliate model, carding, scamming etc are looking at the fucked up mess it's become and wondering why even deal with these idiots in the first place. If your an affiliate that pushed any of that crap (which basically destroyed honest websites) I'm not remotely interested in having you push me.

Believe me, I get a chuckle every-time I see the standard "so and so just went under and are not paying me my $100 PPS on a $2.00 join" thread. They are great cause anyone posting in those threads whining and crying is obviously a thief themselves by association. Pushing those shady shit sites that fucked so many surfers out of greed and fucking everyone else over in the process, eat your cake. Karma's a bitch.

Meanwhile I chug along...

08-19-2010, 12:08 PM
Gerco Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,052	I've been saying the affiliate programs have been dead for a long time. I shut my affiliate program down over a year ago and now only accept people that can prove solid sales. I've turned a lot away. I also don't give my content to just any tom dick and harry to come in and promote. Prove to me you can make sales on the standard stuff, and I'll get you more, but no one is going to come in, get everything then toss it all over hell. Also, if I have to hold your hand your gone. My best affiliates, I never hear from. They come and get what they need, take it and make money. Done. If you have to have me walk you though this or that or create special things for you, basically fuck off. If I'm doing all that work for you then I might as well just post the damn stuff myself and cut you out of the loop. I've wondered for a long time what real benefit the affiliate model brought. Sure, there is the argument that my stuff is being put places I would not have thought to otherwise and has new eyeballs on it that might come over to the site. But, In my case, the site sells itself anyways via word of mouth. Always has, always will. The negative of the affiliate model is much greater... to many and your saturating the fuck out of your content so you lose any shock value (one of my main selling points). Sure, there are some good affiliates out there. I have a dozen or so that have been pushing the site for years, some since it started over 10 years ago that still make sales and that's great. Because of that I also have to wonder, is it fair to them to bring in these newbie affiliates who are doing nothing but "in effect" taking sales away from them? Add to this that affiliates today are NOT like affiliates from just 5 years ago. Todays affiliates want you to do EVERYTHING for them. Give them free content, give them hosting, give them design work, give them bandwidth, give give give... and in effect for all that, expect to make MORE per sale than the site owner. Then they bitch when you try to recoup some of that. The latest one I read on here was the bitch fest about site owners having affiliate links inside the members area... Dude... once a member is sold, and in my members area, he's mine, not yours. You get paid your fee for the sign up and for the recurring billing but that's were the line is drawn. Why the fuck would I pay out to anyone based on a link inside my own site? Idiotic. Especially as it would be in my case, a link thats there because I worked with the person directly, shot content with them, etc. It's affiliates like these that have soured site owners and programs in general. Then lets look at the net today... Where is all the traffic. The fucking tubes. As bad as that is for us pay sites this is the nail in the coffin for affiliates. Why would I pay an affiliate to take my stuff and post it over to a tube site. Why not just let the tube be their own affiliate and cut out the middle man? That being said, if your thinking of promoting me, and your thinking about doing it on tubes... think otherwise. I'm not interested. I'll provide some content (specific and via my limitations) that I want those tubes to have to promote me. I guess what it comes down to today is those of us that are stable, and have been around a long time that DIDN'T base their "programs" on the affiliate model, carding, scamming etc are looking at the fucked up mess it's become and wondering why even deal with these idiots in the first place. If your an affiliate that pushed any of that crap (which basically destroyed honest websites) I'm not remotely interested in having you push me. Believe me, I get a chuckle every-time I see the standard "so and so just went under and are not paying me my $100 PPS on a $2.00 join" thread. They are great cause anyone posting in those threads whining and crying is obviously a thief themselves by association. Pushing those shady shit sites that fucked so many surfers out of greed and fucking everyone else over in the process, eat your cake. Karma's a bitch. Meanwhile I chug along... __________________ Http://www.extremehole.com ** CLOSED ** 400 HOURS of exclusive custom extreme content, already on external HD in Raw DV ready to encode. over 150,000 exclusive images and more.