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Originally Posted by gideongallery
do you see any economic loss declarations like the ones you made up in your counter arguement
NO
so in this case
that exactly what fair use allows you to do.
when copyright is used as a censorship/monopoly extention instead of protect income of the content that exactly what fair use has done every single time
sony didn't get permission from universal
diamond rio did not get permission from the RIAA.
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Sorry, you are wrong. Just because your use of a song in a porn video doesn't damage someone economically doesn't mean you can just use it. Plus, there is no way to know exact damages. If I used a Jonas Brothers song in a porn movie, it may not hurt their sales that day, but it could hurt their reputation and cost them endorsements or other things down the road.
Copyright isn't all about protecting lost sales, it is also about protecting the right of the holder to control the use and distribution of it.
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i will say it again
if i could simply deny you the use of my copyright material for any reason i wanted then i want you to prove you believe what you believe is just as good a reason as any other.
your right if you wanted to send traffic to inferior tours, or other sponsors you could.
but that exactly the point if i don't want you to gain an advantage from my IP i should have a right to take away the income you make from using that IP without my permission.
Even if there is no economic impact to that banning.
if you sent traffic to a tour using my IP without my permission you would be infringing on my copyright
that the stupidest statement you have made, just because fair use prevents me from banning you for non economic impact reasons, doesn't mean that a program can screw you for another reason.
this is one specific case, where you want to profit from my copyrighted work (and licienced derivation) and my ability to stop you even though i can't show economic damage from that selective economic censorship.
You argued i should have the right. If you truly believed i have that right anyway, you should have a problem agreeing to give me that right.
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Okay, let me end this stupid argument because, honestly, I don't even really know what the fuck you are talking about.
Yes. If you show a company some magic formula and they decide that this gives them the right to now take my traffic and not pay me for yes, they can have it. Yes, I will give them that right. Yes, they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. And I will take my traffic and move on to a different site, one of their competitors and not miss a beat. I grant them any power they want.
Is this ever going to happen? No. Why? It has nothing to do with fair use and everything to do with the market. If a company is able to change their tour and better convert my traffic we both win because we both make more money. They know if they just start taking it and not paying me they will lose 100% of it. So they aren't going to do that and if they do, I move on.
I have seen companies go from thriving to collapsing and closing their doors in a matter of days just because they did something stupid and that action got made public and people pulled their links from them. A company starts taking traffic from its affiliates, fair use or not, they better be ready to go it alone because the affiliates will leave very quickly.
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exactly what i agreed to,
if maintaining the tracker, submitting the torrents, sending out the letter, and any other grunt work necessary was what i need he would do it.
when i said
he responded with
he said produce not personally send 100 sales
if i teach him something new and that technique generates an average of 20 sales a day, i produced 20 sales a day even if he did all the work of maintaining it because without that tutoring those sales would not have happened.
and that what he tried to reclassify it as after i sent him the document spelling out exactly what the deal was.
he claimed he never recieved it. now i know why.
ok so after working like a dog for a year i get 719k i put that in the bank at 10% that translates into $71,900 a year forever.
i just taught 30 people, even with all of the upfront fees going event and support cost (renting room, support site , etc) my profits is about 5k per year per student. or 150k per year forever. it only takes me a week to teach these guys (5 days actually)
now lets talk upside, first of all i would be competing with myself in that situation, so it would get harder and harder with each new site.
second the number of students i teach is getting larger each time, so even with 2+ months of prep time between classes the total number of residual incomes is growing quickly.
IF i can get enough students so that the size is statistically accurate (1500 min) and the average income levels are stable then i can prove we can produce results superior to signing with a record company. when that happens i will be teaching in front of class in the 100s
even if that increased competition cause our average to drop to say $3200 (what our fee would be for an average recording artist) that still a shit load more money then i would earn proving my point to you.
add the fact that stuff i am showing these guys will work for tv shows, and those licience out in the 2-3 million an episode mark. and the maximum upside is conservatively 100 millions not just 1-2 million.
now if the deal was what i agreed to orginally it worth the risk, i could show doc the 5 things that i talked about in a week, 719k/ year for a weeks work is worth my time that worth doing even if it cost me a weeks worth of training.
offer still stands as originally agreed to, only thing holding it up is docs attempt to redefine it as something else.
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I believe you teach 30 people per week how to use your formula and net 5K per year per student like I believe I have 19 inch cock and walk it on the leash like a dog.
We both know this isn't true.
Just handle it this way. Hire a guy at 60K per year to run all the grunt work for Doc's site. You then only have to teach him how it is done and sometimes check in on him and you still make at least 660K per year. And you get that money for doing nothing but what you already claim you are doing. Show them, watch over them and guide them, cash huge checks. But I think we both know the answer you will give.
You remind me of one of those people who always has a get rich quick plan. You have an idea and you visualize it as this huge thing, but you never get it off the ground because it either doesn't really work how you envision it or you never get past all the details to actually take the first step and make it happen.