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Originally Posted by Robbie
I'll write slow so you can understand then...
And I'll put it in musical context.
12 bar blues. Nobody knows who first put those chords together. Was it in Africa? Or later in the slave fields? Or sometime in the early 1900's? Where? When? Who? Nobody knows.
Does Robert Johnson hold the copyright to 12 bar blues? No. Muddy Waters? No. Any of the first recorded blues masters? No.
Simple twist here and there with those same chords, that same meter, that same cadence, and it is a different song.
Do you understand that?
No, you can't say that with a straight face about taking a brand new song and doing that.
But some things have been passed down since the beginning of man. Stories, fables, songs, nursery rhymes, etc.
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again you still haven't answered the question
what you just said justifies the brother grimm re write (step mother version) to have the same copyright protection as disney's version (all or none i don't care)
you have not answered the question
why does disney re write justify copyright protection, while grimm re write does not.
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Snow White is a fairytale gideongallery. It is no more able to be credited to the Brothers Grimm than playing an open G tuned blues can be credited to Muddy Waters.
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and grimms re-write of the original story was as significant if not more significant then disney re-write of the grimm version.
i am not arguing that grimm had a right to take the public domain out of the public domain and lock it behind copyright, in fact given the original thread i was complaining about that very court ruling.
if disney had taken 1 of the three stories that were merged by the grimm brothers into a single snow white story, then and only then would you be able to make the arguement that you did.
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Now how about getting BACK to the original subject Mr. "Circular" Argument.
It is WRONG to take somebodies original song straight from the damn album and put it in your movie without permission AND payment.
You know, you CLAIM to have some bands that you now are showing your magical formula to become millionaires by having their shit stolen. I hope you are telling them that IF somehow they really do make the big time, you are going to have no problem having their music stolen and used by anybody who wants to at any time.
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but that not what we are talking about, if the music was openly licienced and RK simply took it to avoid paying the fair market fee, i would agree with you
this is about using copyright to censor free speach by refusing to licience
the content at any price.