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Originally Posted by Nautilus
I'm looking at this piece of shit "culture" landscape every fucking day of my life for the last year or two. I'm reading forums, comments at torrent and tube sites, and even comments at torrentfreak recently, so yes, I'm pretty damn familiar with the subject.
While I agree with you that convenience of getting everything at one place attributes alot to the illegal sharing sites' popularity, that's still far from being the main reason. My estimation is that 90% of the "free culture" crowd just wants shit free and do not mind surfing 20 different sites to get what they want (free of course). About 10% or even less are ready to pay for convenience of getting everything at one place (rapidshare or newsgroup subscription, that kinda things), but only at symbolic prices like $10/month or $50/year, and those prices are not life compatible for any creative industry.
For example, rapidshare is pulling laughable $80mil/year, and they provide download access to EVERYTHING, every little bit of human creativity ever created is stolen and uploaded to their servers. How can you sustain creativity of the entire human race - music, movies, software you name it, - at $80mil/year? Even if 100% of it goes to producers of the original content. Even $80 billion is not enough to produce all the stuff that is "shared" there, let alone $80 million. And they're not ever going to pull anything close to $80bil.
So if some services will pop up that provide access to huge variety of legal content at fair price (not nearly as "fair" as $10/month for everything though), free culture crowd is not going to migrate there. They'll stick to their sharing forums and go on as usual. Those services will be fairly popular, but only among the people who are not free culture crowd today - those who still buy paysites membership, download songs at itunes, rent movies at netflix etc. They will be interested, but free culture ppl will not.
Just read what they post at their forums - it is painfully obvious that they really believe that creative products grow on trees and are free for any one to "share", "sharing is caring" bs etc. They behave as if producers simply do not exist - "original uploader" is kinda producer in their world. They always bitch when there's not enough "thank you" after they posted some freshly stolen stuff, they often fly sigs saying "thank the uploader" because that's kinda etiquette in their communities - but they never ever thank the real producer of the shit they like. Never ever post a link back, never encourage to join site if you liked their stuff to help producing more of it. Nothing, ever. And they never ever going to join any of our sites because for them we kinda do not exist, and you cannot join something that does not exist. No download alternatives are going to change that - they'll get back to buying only after their forums and torrents and other crap is dead and buried.
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more than 50% of all torrent traffic is for content tha people already paid for
tv shows represents 49% of all bit torrent traffic today
and movies that air on tv another 5-7%
not wanting to pay twice for stuff you already bought
fair use is supposed to be a free market competitions
tape timeshifting is supposed to compete against re run timeshifting
the action not the medium defines weather the action is right or wrong.
stop bitching about the medium you idiot
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Originally Posted by Robbie
Nautilus...you just don't understand how to monetize this new "revenue stream" 
But don't worry, gideongallery has figured it all out and soon we will all be making more money than EVER before by giving everything away for free!
This is actually a great thing! Because once gideon educates us on how to do it...the rest of the world will follow.
I can't WAIT to go down and pick out that brand new Lamborghini sports car I always wanted and have them give it to me for FREE!
And I'm gonna get the biggest and best flat screen on the market for FREE!
Groceries? FREE!
Gas? FREE!
Beer? FREE!
Hookers? FREE!
And the best part is...all those companies and individuals are all gonna be making more money than they ever have before by giving it all to me for FREE!!!
The economy is going to not only recover but climb to new heights with this "new revenue stream"
The only thing I can't figure out is...what is gideongallery waiting for? Doesn't he realize that we all need his help NOW? He's gonna be the richest man on the planet when this all comes to pass...I just don't understand why he isn't getting this thing going.
It seems like it's been over a year that he's been telling us all about this happening and all the billions and billions of dollars that are coming.
Please hurry gideongallery. It's time you ended all unemployment and got the world economy kicking ass!
Thanks gideon! |
your an idiot fair use friendly liciencing doesn't have to be public domain
there are dozens of fair use friendly liciences that allow you to sell your stuff
and applying a fair use friendly licience actually protects your content better because the fair use can;t override your monetary business.
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Originally Posted by Robbie
Dude, itunes and piracy have NOTHING to do with each other!
Building apps for an iphone has NOTHING to do with stolen content.
There is NO "new revenue stream" for a producer having his content uploaded to thepiratebay or rapidshare or pornhub and given away for free.
Yeah, if we all want to leave porn and build an app for a phone...I guess that is "new revenue" |
your so clueless
there was no new revenue stream when vcr allowed timeshifting
there was no new revenue stream when diamond rio introduced the mp3
there was no new revenue stream when the printing press was created
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how can you keep arguing how impossible it is for a new revenue stream to exist with so much proof that every time we have gone thru this debate there has always been a new revenue stream.