Originally Posted by Mutt

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright - CCBILL cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars

guess what - CCBILL is still in business while others have gone down the tubes BECAUSE they have always taken the conservative approach. you wanted a join form with no disclosure about recurring billing above the submit button - BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

as far as I know Epoch is just as stringent about such things

get your own merchanct account if you want to be shady like the big boys

If I were CCBILL i'd politely inform you that it's time to find a new credit card processor because you are no longer their client.