Far-L

Sorry to cut and paste most of this but it is relevent to the discussion here:

I shot for two and half years with Max Hardcore, both as talent and crew.

I know from first hand experience the "getting up and running out" part that you don't see in the edited final product.

In all the time I was working with him, I met two models that were actually up to his level of abuse as "willing" participants that are truly turned on by that kind of action. The majority of others were "deer caught in the headlights".

When they got up and ran, I was the "good cop" to Max's "bad cop". Instead of getting a confession, we were psychologically manipulating the talent into finishing the scene. I quit to pursue Homegrown and vowed that I would never allow us to become like that. Now I have had ten years of reconciling the bad kharma that experience brought upon me.

If you honestly think that all those women were into it, then you probably believe that other porn contrivance; namely, that all women love to be ass fucked and then be glazed with a facial.

As I have said, if it is consensual that is fine with me if two people spit on each other, pee on each other, beat each other to a pulp, whatever. I just have a problem with these LA producers that are so intent on "getting the goods".

They want to manipulate, cajole, threaten, and intimidate the model into doing something that she has not done and won't want to do again so they have the "exclusive". Max has told me on more than one occaision that he is happy when he has a brand new model that leaves the biz after working with him. Khan Tusion, the Sweets, and Rob Black are no different.

(I don't know DS, but if he thinks he is an exception to the rule then so be it... I will give him the benifit of the doubt... I just know that you can't get good degradation scenes unless you are actually degrading the model... and to do that her will needs to be broken... none of these folks are really "actresses" after all... until that sense of reality is actually achieved)

This is not about defending or impeding people's right to consensual sex acts. This is about the kind of irresponsible behaviour that is dangerous to the liberties our industry currently still enjoys.

I see the comparison to Hollywood and stunt people and the chances that one has to expect to take. The big difference is that these models do not have insurance, nor is there a health professional handy in case something goes wrong, nor are there harnesses or special effects that can safely realize the appearance of danger onscreen. They are shooting real acts with people that do not have the kind of training in pain that an experienced sub/dom know how to take and deliver.

This is not about censorship. This is about self regulation so we can conduct biz without the government stepping in to do it for us.

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