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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
How is fraud any better than theft though? If this is some kind of argument to legitimise piracy I'd say thats a massive fail. Both are illegal, both can you arrested. Both can get you time in jail.
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never said it "legitimise piracy" it only legitimizes fair use that has been misclassifed as piracy.
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Originally Posted by degban
Fraud or theft my point is why no one feels guilty for leeching and pirating ?
what difference does it make what we call it ? you didn't pay for it you cant use it it is that simple?
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but your talking about targeting things that can fall into the fair use space
like using a torrent like a vcr, i do pay for the shows (when i pay my cable bill) when i use the torrents to timeshift tv shows i am using just like my parents used a vcr.
it just a better vcr, because it has infinite hard drive space (swarm) never misses a show, never fails to tape.
no tv producer loses any income from this act because if i didn't use the torrents i would have PVRd the show anyway, and they would have gotten paid for those commercial spots anyway.
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Originally Posted by degban
Okay lets say it is fraud ! are you saying it is right ? and people shouldn't feel guilty about it?
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never said it was right, when you take something you didn't pay for it wrong,
my only problem is that when you try and reclassify piracy as theft you take away rights from people
rights established by the courts
rights to use the new technology in a legitimate (fair use way)
you hinder growth (like cheap solid state disk -- because of format shifting)
or like the previous response
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Originally Posted by gideongallery
bullshit
the US supreme court just recently ruled that timeshifting was legal in a cloud
that cloud included the segments of the internet
that company has hundreds of thousands of customers of that RPVR service
and the company that provide that service turns a profit on that offering
so you are wrong on all three counts,
what you just said is exactly the problem i am talking about, reclassifying it as theft to try and squash fair use on the new technology.
if you define it as fraud you don't have that problem
because you realize that every person who subscribes to that RPVR service has a right to those shows, (because they bought the cable , and have the right to timeshift it)
which totally removes the deception since they actually have the right.
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