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AOLGuy · 04-22-2003, 02:56 PM

Kelly Steele wrote a good piece on AVN about most content producers not only want to work with new talent because they are fresh with zero previous exposure, but they can also pay them less given their inexperience.

She further mentions that for some, the goal is to make the experience overall an unpleasant one, and get the girl to do everything on camera that is possible.

That way, not only did they get extreme hardcore action on the cheap, but they gave themselves a virtual lock on an exclusive to the girl.

Surely she will not be shooting for any of the other So. Cal websites or video companies after you shoot rough oral, anal, dp, creampies, and regurgitation facials.

(not that there is anything wrong with those acts - if it is all agreed upon before hand, etc).

My thoughts:

Given the recession which could be slide into a full on depression, economic hardships will be driving an unprecedented amount of "talent" into this business.

The standard rates are set by what girls ask for, and a lot of the smaller operations are thrilled when they can get a girl for $150-$200 for solo posing, let alone anything more.

I have worked with established girls and newcomers, and I typically pay the new ones more, especially if I sense it is a one-time thing.

I have met a lot of girls in financial hardship who can't find work, and are thrilled to go do a site like BangBus or BigNaturals for $1000-$3000, because that money will make a lot of immediate problems go away.

My guess is that if things continue to go as they have been in the US, there will be a lot of one-timers out there who need a lump sum--though I don't see many of them doing things for less than $300. But you never know how far desperation can drive someone.

The crazier idea is how many of these girls will want to get into porn as a career, thinking they can make a solid living on the talent end--this as I see girls I know who were doing solo posing or boy-girl a few months ago now resorting to escort work because they can't get modelling work with their image on myriad other sites.

Combine the above factors, with even the admission by the nicest people in the business that it isn't smart business to shoot a girl who is on a host of other sites. Then you see this cycle that is becoming clear.

Of any girls getting into the business, a handful will become Vivid girls. The rest will do a few shoots before they lose work to the new girls coming into this. The middle ground of less popular porn stars will be gone.

I don't mean to paint such a bleak future for the female models out there, but it seems like the reality. I am getting emails from models I've worked with, and some who I've spoken to, and they are all hurting for cash.

On the upside, I would love to see a website like AdultStaffing or the like with a more mainstream appeal to facilitate the inquiries of the curious who want to look further into modelling.

Of course, one could also argue that with more desperation comes less chance of flakiness. LOL

In all seriousness, I do not think this cycle can be changed. I am not even sure what my stance on it is--obviously, there are many aspects that are wrong, but no one puts a gun to a girl's head (a new reality site, perhaps? Dirty, I'm tossing this one out there for ya... just kidding).

I think what is unfortunate is that a lot of the girl's assume and do not know any better. Alas, that is par for the course with many things today.

Business is fine on my end, so I guess I will just keep stockpiling money to fund shoots well into the looming depression. I don't care how bad things get--a guy will always fork over money to see a real girl getting naked. Since I work in the AVS arena with my multi-girl site, I am VERY optimistic that things will remain cool for my business.

04-22-2003, 02:56 PM
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	Porn stars obselete? Kelly Steele wrote a good piece on AVN about most content producers not only want to work with new talent because they are fresh with zero previous exposure, but they can also pay them less given their inexperience. She further mentions that for some, the goal is to make the experience overall an unpleasant one, and get the girl to do everything on camera that is possible. That way, not only did they get extreme hardcore action on the cheap, but they gave themselves a virtual lock on an exclusive to the girl. Surely she will not be shooting for any of the other So. Cal websites or video companies after you shoot rough oral, anal, dp, creampies, and regurgitation facials. (not that there is anything wrong with those acts - if it is all agreed upon before hand, etc). My thoughts: Given the recession which could be slide into a full on depression, economic hardships will be driving an unprecedented amount of "talent" into this business. The standard rates are set by what girls ask for, and a lot of the smaller operations are thrilled when they can get a girl for $150-$200 for solo posing, let alone anything more. I have worked with established girls and newcomers, and I typically pay the new ones more, especially if I sense it is a one-time thing. I have met a lot of girls in financial hardship who can't find work, and are thrilled to go do a site like BangBus or BigNaturals for $1000-$3000, because that money will make a lot of immediate problems go away. My guess is that if things continue to go as they have been in the US, there will be a lot of one-timers out there who need a lump sum--though I don't see many of them doing things for less than $300. But you never know how far desperation can drive someone. The crazier idea is how many of these girls will want to get into porn as a career, thinking they can make a solid living on the talent end--this as I see girls I know who were doing solo posing or boy-girl a few months ago now resorting to escort work because they can't get modelling work with their image on myriad other sites. Combine the above factors, with even the admission by the nicest people in the business that it isn't smart business to shoot a girl who is on a host of other sites. Then you see this cycle that is becoming clear. Of any girls getting into the business, a handful will become Vivid girls. The rest will do a few shoots before they lose work to the new girls coming into this. The middle ground of less popular porn stars will be gone. I don't mean to paint such a bleak future for the female models out there, but it seems like the reality. I am getting emails from models I've worked with, and some who I've spoken to, and they are all hurting for cash. On the upside, I would love to see a website like AdultStaffing or the like with a more mainstream appeal to facilitate the inquiries of the curious who want to look further into modelling. Of course, one could also argue that with more desperation comes less chance of flakiness. LOL In all seriousness, I do not think this cycle can be changed. I am not even sure what my stance on it is--obviously, there are many aspects that are wrong, but no one puts a gun to a girl's head (a new reality site, perhaps? Dirty, I'm tossing this one out there for ya... just kidding). I think what is unfortunate is that a lot of the girl's assume and do not know any better. Alas, that is par for the course with many things today. Business is fine on my end, so I guess I will just keep stockpiling money to fund shoots well into the looming depression. I don't care how bad things get--a guy will always fork over money to see a real girl getting naked. Since I work in the AVS arena with my multi-girl site, I am VERY optimistic that things will remain cool for my business.