[QUOTE=Robbie;16362149]Hey I've said it before (no offense to how you make your money) If a guy is simply kicking your ass on a search engine placement for say...the NAME OF YOUR SITE

...then they aren't bringing even ONE new set of eyes.
Now if you suddenly were able to get me the number one spot on google for big tits, big tit porn, big tit sex...then that would mean something.
In this guys case...people are gonna search for large insertions and extreme holes and extreme insertions, etc. Guys that kick his ass on placement on google are still not bringing anybody to him that wasn't coming anyway.
That's what I mean. And that's the truth. SEO guys aren't the first people to make money off of other folks ignorance. Hell, that's how most businesses run. From auto repair to going to the doctor.
But we're not discussing skills. We're discussing PROMOTION. New eyes that would have never found them otherwise.
And unless an seo guy can get a number one spot for a huge keyword that the site would never have had a crack at otherwise then I just don't consider that to be "promoting" something in the classic sense.
No offense toward you. I know you make great money with your seo skills. I'm just trying to tell this guy how to get new sales in to a great niche. He probably hasn't taken a few minutes to make sure his site can be high up for his niche. So it's probably wide open for seo guys to use their knowledge and skill to make easy money.

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Your correct I know nothing about it. Hell, if you search "extremehole" in google I don't even show up in the first TEN pages! and it's the fucking name of my domain and has been for 10 years....

wtf. You find torrent of my shit pages and pages listed but I'm not even in the list/