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this thread is a prime example of how dumb this industry is.
They've been a pr5 for a long time. PR matters a lot. people misunderstand completely WHY it matters. their sites do well because someone is out there hustling back links day in and day out. he does it on forums, he does it by icq, he's relentless and he doesn't stop. buying links, trading links well etc. thats why a few tube sites are on top for almost every relevant phrase (keez, pornhub, tube8 et al). same people. same guy. same tactics. there is nothing "black hat" about it. very simple methods exercised with fanatical consistency over a period of time.
in the meantime, in 2009 ... 98% of this industry is totally baffled by SEO 101.
what a fucking joke.
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