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the worst part of these discussions is the misleading use of the word "torture" - a word which is associated with physical mutilation and extreme pain - being used to describe sleep deprivation or prolonged periods of standing or whatever.
a close second is the fact that everyone wants to decry all these methods of getting valuable intelligence information - yet no one has a solution. no one can present an alternative. i suppose we are all to believe that we can just ask Osama Bin Ladens second in command where he is and he'll just volunteer that information right? I suppose we can capture a bunch of islamic extremists with known ties to past terrorist attacks and just hang out wiht them and make friends with them and get them to roll over on everyone they know, every organization, every person of importance, every place where they train and every future planned attack they are aware of... since "torture doesn't work" - i guess we'll have to just give them fruit baskets and roses and hope for the best.
even dumber is a bunch of people denouncing "torture" as "not working" - when its clearly not done for fun.
a bunch of retarded fucking idiots denouncing methods for getting time sensitive information from people as "not working" but of course not ONE SINGLE PERSON has ever thought to ask
"wait a minute, what information was gathered this way"
"how do we honestly measure the pluses and minuses of each technique"
"how many lives were saved"
"how many known terrorist leaders were captured as a result.
"how many attacks were disrupted as a result"
and why? because you don't fucking care about safety and security and the issues. you don't care about the violent/volatile world world around you, filled with people who want to murder you and your family because you don't pray 5 times a day to allah. these people are coming for you all over the globe. they are killing you. and what do you propose to do about it? nothing. you object to everything. you are just a ultra liberal left wing pussy living in a utopia that only exists in your mind... and in a fantasy world where the worlds most violent psychopaths, murderers, terrorists and brutal dictators "just need to be understood" ... and you're so fucking out of touch with reality, you think you're the only one that truly "gets it"
in the meantime, people are out there working FOR YOU. trying to PROTECT YOU. they are doing it in a world FULL of threats to YOU. a world full of people who continually openly declare their intention to KILL YOU.
and what is your response to them? "you're an asshole, fuck off"
what is your solution?
do nothing. cripple all law enforcement. tie everyones hands and prosecute everyone for crimes if you think they kept a known mass murderer up for 20 hours or more.
brilliant.
thank you for making the world more dangerous.
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