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but given you weren't on a meat producing farm (we used to own a piggery, and we currently work with an organic pig farm)- the vegetables we and animals eat aren't especially different.
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yes they are , they are specifically grown for them to eat, remember i grew up on a farm that grew them.
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Perhaps you're unaware of even how much cereal and soya is even in meat products.
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in the ones i eat . zero.
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However you only need ONE meal to be from McDonalds out of ten to have ruined this.
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to ruin what ? i am not making any claim of no animals killed for my food, my claim is less animals are killed for my food than your average vegetarian .. and you haven shown anything to prove otherwise yet.. sorry to break it to you.
p.s. theres no way i eat even 1/100 meals at mcdonalds or anywhere similar
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you only eat lean steaks of pure grass fed cows and have never eaten a sausage, burger or taco you haven't made the mince from steaks yourself, and you NEVER eaten bacon, ham, pork chops..
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i eat em all
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and you only eat your own hand reared chickens you kill
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i got an old lady for that
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and you never eat chicken burgers,
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can't say i do , maybe a few over the years, not something i eat, anything chicken or seafood i eat local and fresh
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satay sticks or anything..
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cant say i have tried those before, if you have a recipe i might try it.
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but I doubt you actually achieve a pure natural/wild meat diet
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and i never will nor did i ever aspire or claim to
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We used to kill our own raised chickens - you'd need a lot of them and it's very time intensive.
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I have raised , and killed chickens&pigs since i was a tyke.
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I try to only eat wild caught fish but it's not easy either. Of course I don't have any moral objections to failing in that regard so it doesn't matter.
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I cant remember the last time i ate fish i didnt catch myself or know the person who caught it. Not to hard for me, and i certainly dont eat "wild" food because of any moral reasons , i do it because its easy for me and its tasty. I live in an area where its easy for me to take advantage of these things.
The point i think you miss is not that meat eaters kill less animals , its that making a claim that store vegetarianism doesnt kill animals or only kills slow dumb animals is false. They kill some of the smartest animals on earth for their veggies.