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PornMD · 04-10-2009, 08:39 AM

Fact #1: Videos are just a TAD more compelling than pictures. Why do you think adult mags are failing? Yes it's more convenient to be able to get porn without leaving the house, but convenient free video vs. images is a lot more to do with it IMO.

Fact #2: Some surfers aren't avidly filesharing because of the viruses to be gotten from it - not a problem on tubes...yet at least as far as I'm aware.

Fact #3: Surfers know filesharing is bad...they may disagree with laws but they more or less know they are performing an illegal activity. Meanwhile the morality of watching full scenes on tubes for free is in more of a gray area and surfers likely believe there's nothing wrong or illegal about it. After all, look at all the copyrighted content freely available on Youtube, owned by big G the god of the net.

Fact #4: I agree with you, porn is a luxury...which is why surfers are jumping at free full length scenes. Is price really an object? What would be your compelling argument to surfers right now as to why they should pay ANYTHING for porn? This is what ALL webmasters should be asking themselves and coming up with an answer to for any and all prospective customers...your competition is no longer each other but simply the tube sites, so why should surfers BUY porn from anyone instead of GET porn for free on tubes? THEN worry about why they should specifically buy from you.

Fact #4: We're beginning to reach a point where porn stars are practically interchangeable...I mean no disrespect to any when I say that as there's a ton of hotties but seriously, how many similar looking pornstars are there now vs. in the late 90s? Fake tits, perfect tans, and otherwise pretty similar looks are just rampant now. My point to this is that while unique and fresh content may have been a selling point in the late 90s, it's less of one now because the free videos that can be found on tube sites are arguably not much worse/different than new "fresh" content.

Fact #5: Thus IMO, you're left with HD quality and entire videos as your remaining primary selling points. As someone recently pointed out, at least 1 tube now has some full 2 hour videos. It's only a matter of time before one or more of them start having lots of free HD quality videos to one-up the other tubes and destroy another reason for people to go anywhere else. Web 2.0 is all about getting traffic first, then making money off of it, and tube sites will be doing anything and everything to do that, regardless of everything their efforts compromise (even their own moneymaking efforts).

Fact #6: Pre-checked and/or hidden cross sales may destroy some paying members, but honestly, with tube sites continuing to grow and grow, less and less surfers are ever reaching ANY sales page. Worrying about that over tubes is like worrying about some filth in the water when the well has a huge leak draining out the water.

Fact #7: Errr, "Not enough vision and innovation in our industry. Everyone copies someone else's idea..." , "Can you please get some ideas in design and brand building from mainstream web 2.0? What is wrong with a digg website for adults?" That's quite visionary and innovative right there. Hey, why not an adult Twitter, an adult FriendFeed, an adult (insert social site here)? Better idea, let's wait for more innovative mainstream sites to come out and copy them! Copy copy copy! Sorry, I just had to laugh at the blatant hypocrisy 2 sentences apart in your post. On a serious note, internet marketing is really where the revolutionary selling tactics are coming from - if I were you all, I'd pay more attention to them than anything else. One of the latest tactics I saw was giving "free" products away in exchange for a forced tweet about it on Twitter (forced as in you click a button to do the tweet before you get the product). That exact thing is obviously hard to do with adult, but shows the kind of outside the box thinking you all should start doing. If surfers aren't paying money for porn, what else can you get from them or get them to do that would result in more traffic or something else of value?

Fact #8: I would say people like you are detrimental to the industry because you might make some people believe that tubes aren't the problem, but honestly it's pretty futile anyways. Everyone except currently Teen Revenue are on the sidelines ranting about tubes saying someone should do something (and now that TR is, cheerleading them on instead of doing something). I mean for fuck's sake, put up a fight! Tubes are steamrolling over a lot of you with no fight back whatsoever. Kudos to the people whose sales are increasing - you are obviously not the ones who should be worried.

Fact #9: Yes the economy sucks, but would you be content sitting by idly using that as an excuse with the possibility that once the economy gets better, you find your sales continuing to slide for some uber mysterious reason? My gosh, what could it be?!

Fact #10: I love lamp.

04-10-2009, 08:39 AM
PornMD Mainstream Businessman Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 9,291	Fact #1: Videos are just a TAD more compelling than pictures. Why do you think adult mags are failing? Yes it's more convenient to be able to get porn without leaving the house, but convenient free video vs. images is a lot more to do with it IMO. Fact #2: Some surfers aren't avidly filesharing because of the viruses to be gotten from it - not a problem on tubes...yet at least as far as I'm aware. Fact #3: Surfers know filesharing is bad...they may disagree with laws but they more or less know they are performing an illegal activity. Meanwhile the morality of watching full scenes on tubes for free is in more of a gray area and surfers likely believe there's nothing wrong or illegal about it. After all, look at all the copyrighted content freely available on Youtube, owned by big G the god of the net. Fact #4: I agree with you, porn is a luxury...which is why surfers are jumping at free full length scenes. Is price really an object? What would be your compelling argument to surfers right now as to why they should pay ANYTHING for porn? This is what ALL webmasters should be asking themselves and coming up with an answer to for any and all prospective customers...your competition is no longer each other but simply the tube sites, so why should surfers BUY porn from anyone instead of GET porn for free on tubes? THEN worry about why they should specifically buy from you. Fact #4: We're beginning to reach a point where porn stars are practically interchangeable...I mean no disrespect to any when I say that as there's a ton of hotties but seriously, how many similar looking pornstars are there now vs. in the late 90s? Fake tits, perfect tans, and otherwise pretty similar looks are just rampant now. My point to this is that while unique and fresh content may have been a selling point in the late 90s, it's less of one now because the free videos that can be found on tube sites are arguably not much worse/different than new "fresh" content. Fact #5: Thus IMO, you're left with HD quality and entire videos as your remaining primary selling points. As someone recently pointed out, at least 1 tube now has some full 2 hour videos. It's only a matter of time before one or more of them start having lots of free HD quality videos to one-up the other tubes and destroy another reason for people to go anywhere else. Web 2.0 is all about getting traffic first, then making money off of it, and tube sites will be doing anything and everything to do that, regardless of everything their efforts compromise (even their own moneymaking efforts). Fact #6: Pre-checked and/or hidden cross sales may destroy some paying members, but honestly, with tube sites continuing to grow and grow, less and less surfers are ever reaching ANY sales page. Worrying about that over tubes is like worrying about some filth in the water when the well has a huge leak draining out the water. Fact #7: Errr, "Not enough vision and innovation in our industry. Everyone copies someone else's idea..." , "Can you please get some ideas in design and brand building from mainstream web 2.0? What is wrong with a digg website for adults?" That's quite visionary and innovative right there. Hey, why not an adult Twitter, an adult FriendFeed, an adult (insert social site here)? Better idea, let's wait for more innovative mainstream sites to come out and copy them! Copy copy copy! Sorry, I just had to laugh at the blatant hypocrisy 2 sentences apart in your post. On a serious note, internet marketing is really where the revolutionary selling tactics are coming from - if I were you all, I'd pay more attention to them than anything else. One of the latest tactics I saw was giving "free" products away in exchange for a forced tweet about it on Twitter (forced as in you click a button to do the tweet before you get the product). That exact thing is obviously hard to do with adult, but shows the kind of outside the box thinking you all should start doing. If surfers aren't paying money for porn, what else can you get from them or get them to do that would result in more traffic or something else of value? Fact #8: I would say people like you are detrimental to the industry because you might make some people believe that tubes aren't the problem, but honestly it's pretty futile anyways. Everyone except currently Teen Revenue are on the sidelines ranting about tubes saying someone should do something (and now that TR is, cheerleading them on instead of doing something). I mean for fuck's sake, put up a fight! Tubes are steamrolling over a lot of you with no fight back whatsoever. Kudos to the people whose sales are increasing - you are obviously not the ones who should be worried. Fact #9: Yes the economy sucks, but would you be content sitting by idly using that as an excuse with the possibility that once the economy gets better, you find your sales continuing to slide for some uber mysterious reason? My gosh, what could it be?! Fact #10: I love lamp. __________________ Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up. Last edited by PornMD; 04-10-2009 at 08:43 AM..