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Old 02-21-2009, 08:50 AM  
pocketkangaroo
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays View Post
"safety"?

you go to war when you are being attacked or vital national interests are threatened.

i'm not a pacifist. i would rather deal with the so called "outrage of the arab world" and have a few well stocked military bases in their back yards than continue through life hoping they don't wipe us off the earth because thats their stated goal.

the issues are insanely complicated. i don't think anyone can argue that point. i don't pretend to know what top level intelligence people know. i am satisfied that the area as a whole is the worlds largest exporter of extremism and terrorism and that the international community, the UN, diplomacy and sanctions do nothing to change that fact.

it all goes back to general world views. i don't believe hugs and flowers and rainbows are going to make people see things my way. i don't believe that all people are inherently good. i don't believe that "if we just did this... just did that and just stopped doing the other thing" that extremism would suddenly stop being a major threat to world security or fade away. it was always there. it has been growing over the last century and will continue to do so.

if the entire middle east with the exception of Dubai is fully dedicating themselves to total and complete implosion... as they have been for their entire history, then i think its necessary for someone to step up and get in the game and get on the offense.

its not about "today" - its about the world 50 and the region 50 years now when a bunch of backwards fucks don't have oil revenues anymore to fund the oppression of their people and their budgets and finally start imploding as they try to scratch a living from rocks and desert. as time wears on, i can't imagine their economic outlook being very bright and i can't imagine islamic extremism fading.
Iraq was never a hotbed of Muslim extremism. In fact, it was one of the more tamer countries in the Middle East. The terrorists who target us hated Saddam. The complete opposite effect has now happened as we've turned the country into a terrorist hangout.

And I agree with your reasons for why we go to war. But Iraq doesn't even come close to matching them. They posed no threat our country or our people. They posed no real threat to our national interests. I don't think the decision to go to war should be taken lightly.
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