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Originally Posted by ScriptWorkz
I got into this debate a while ago on here and ended up quiting in frustration thanks to alienq's impossible logic on why tables where better then CSS.
Long story short, use tables for tabular data folks, use css and structural markup for your layout / implementations. Utilizing proper markup and css saves you bandwidth, helps with seo, and at the end of the day saves / makes you money.
Don't listen to hack designers / coders that tell you it's too flaky / incompatible. They are dinosaurs that don't want to adapt or learn something new. I was pretty comfortable w/ tables there for a while as was anyone that wrote any serious html during that time period, but the time has come and support is wide enough where everyone should be adopting or have a plan to start adopting web standards right now.
Many serious developers / designers, myself included know from first hand experience that it is completely possible to create just about any layout using proper markup and css and is actually easier to create / maintain these sites (unlike what the table zealots preach). We utilize these things on a daily basis to create clean, fast loading, semantically correct and accessible pages and i personally maintain atleast 20 sites that would be a complete nightmare to work with if they weren't coded properly using structural markup and well formed css.
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You only got frustrated because I was right. You can not prove CSS is better for SE's because the fact remains that CSS layouts has no advancement over table based layouts when it comes to SEO. THE FUCKING MARK UP LANGUAGE IS IGNORED BY SPIDERS!!!! For the 20th time today. SO if you create seriously shitty code no matter what you use CSS/DIV or TD will fucking suck.
Is CSS easy to update? Yeah IF You know what you are doing but other than that I would say no, not for the typical client. Almost every client I have come accross that has had a CSS design was pissed off about it because they can not change anything on it except maybe the text. Almost every client I have come accross worries about cross browser issues and I am glad to tell them that my design's will have ZERO browser issues and my code is straight forward and easy enough for them to take the source PSD and forever more do the updates themselves.
But like I said before everyone has a method. You are a script kiddie, you do not relie on graphics so much, I am designer I relie on graphics and in the middle are clients that buy our services. They wont relie on you to do a credible design no more than they would relie on me to create a credible script.
Some people can whine about IE and why CSS does not show right in many cases and in my book and experience that is no excuse to a client. You can not sit and tell a client oh yeah the majority of the world uses IE sorry your site is going to have display issues with this CSS design! LOL! Yeah... That'll work.
You guys keep doing that, because I am seriously needing work these days. Your clients will come around to me eventually and see the truth that working code that displays accross all browsers without issue win's everytime.
I am done with you CSS Nazi's have a good evening.