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Originally Posted by GatorB
Seriously are you retarded? because you pay your cable bill doesn't mean you have the right to everything on TV for free. That's like saying since I pay my ISP everything on the interent should be free.
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That is the stupid statement i have ever heard, if was saying because i pay for basic cable i should get everything for free your arguement would be valid, but
i have never said that
i said pay for everything i want to watch, i pay for bbc canada, i simply want to use whatever technology i think is most useful to timeshift my viewing rights to a different time.
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A) first of all you do not have the right to do that.
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really i have produced the court cases that say i do. If you are saying i don't produce the court cases that explictly say that i have no right to use a swarm as a timeshifting device.
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B) guess what I rent stuff all the time form Amazon.com and I can stream it to my TV via the xbox 360. So there goes that excuse. I never watch movies I rent from Amazon on my computer.
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1. i don't own an xbox 360
2. i am canadian so even if wanted to amazon will not sell me a stream
but even if i were american you are now arguing i should buy $200 so that i have the privilage of paying 1.99 for content i already paid for, and the courts have said i have a right to timeshift for free.
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So your logic is if you want something for free it should be free. If I want a porsche for free I should get a porsche. If you don't want to PAY for content either with cash or by putting up with a few ads you do not DESERVE to watch said content. PERIOD. Think about it this way if Heroes didn't make NBC money guess how long it would be on the air? It wouldn't. NBC is not going to lose money just so you can be entertained. If there is no financial incentive for companies to make movies, Tv shows, music then there simply won't be any new content out there. No one works for free. DO YOU? Of course not. To expect others to do so it's stupid.
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absolutely not, I have never said that if you want something for free it should be free. I have repeatedly said that i paid my cable bill and i bought a right to view the show.
i was saying that tivo/pvr screws the stations over equally. When you tivo a show none of the commercials "recorded" count. The tv stations get no money from the advertisers for tivoed copies of the show.
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?The thing that?s so frustrating to me is that we were a hit if you take into account Internet numbers, TiVo, DVR ? these Nielsen ratings they?re going by are archaic? It would be one thing if America just didn?t get it or it wasn?t that great of a show, but fans were excited and were watching ? it had a great following.?
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http://eztv.it/index.php?main=tvnews&show_news=3027
lipstick jungle, pushing daisies all got cancelled because they are tivoed to much.
tivo and the pvr industry wash their hands of the damage they are causing pointing to the betamax case and saying "see we are legal"
they are spending nothing of the $15/month in service charges to help solve the problem they cause.
vs torrents
while i am arguing that it is legal for the EXACT SAME REASON as tivo justifies their ass raping of the tv show producers
at least we are trying to solve the problem.
http://blog.mininova.org/articles/20...ew-technology/
a couple of year ago when stargate sg1 was cancelled by sci-fi i was involved in a project to try and save the show using concept argued in speach "piracy is good"
i spent a good 5k of my own money trying to get this rolling. While there was no problem in convincing the show to try (free money, save you show). The advertisers were not interested because what described as a solution was infact inferior to paid product placement.
The paid product placement would give all the benefits of the "ad bug" but would exist for all airing of the show (tivoed, live, bit torrented). So it was in their best interest to reject that solution.
product placement take all those viewer into account, that why companies like coke paid $1 million an episode to american idol even though commercials cost only $350 k each. Because when you added up all the people who watched it the internal product placement it was more valuable then buying ads that would only be scene by live viewers at a much lower rate.
But that point the same product placement that pays for the uncounted tivo ads pays bittorrent distribution as well.
I still believe the solution will come out of the bittorrent community quite simply because the traditional tv model take 22 out the 26 commercial spot for the distribution companies. The real producers of heroes only get 4 commercial spots in liciencing fees. A torrent solution would pay these producers directly (like product placement)
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No you don't have to watch, but inevitably you will see SOME commercials. You're not going to the bathroom every time a commercial break comes on and come back into the room at the exact moment the show comes back on.
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when i was paying $15/month for a pvr that was exactly what was happening. I never watched a single commercial. I would simply wait for 15 minutes, let the show buffer and start watching. If i need to go to the washroom i paused the show. When the commercials came on i would press a button and skip ahead 30 second. never had to see a single commercial.
I am watching no more or no less commercials now.
While watching the show itself i see the product placement but that is all i see, my commercial viewing habit s have not changed since i replace the pvr with a torrent recorder.
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Also you forget all these networks get money form the cable companies. For example ESPN get nearly $4 from you cable company( well in the US at least ) per subscriber. So even if no one is watching commercials on ESPN they are getting paid.
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hense my point about how i am paying for the right to view the content when i paid my cable bill.
For the record none of that money goes to the actual show producers. Even though NBC gets paid $4 for every subscriber, none of that money goes to tailwind productions. They must succeed or fail on their live commercial success. If the liciencing fees they ask for falls below the 4 commercial spot level they stay on the air. If the rate goes above that they get cancelled.
As long as tivo/pvr do nothing to solve the problem caused by time shifting
as long as the torrent community keeps trying to solve the problems cause by timeshifting. I will put my money with the people who are trying to help rather than the company who are just putting it in there pocket.
I am fully aware that the torrent sites are trying to help because they are fighting to legitimize their business model, but i don't care, because the end result is that my favorite shows will be saved.