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Originally Posted by pornlaw
I cant argue with this point or most of the others you have made. I was bothered by the same tactics and some of the chicken little tactics of some of the other attorneys in the industry. Fear should never be used as a motivator to part someone from their cash.
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And yet, it is used and far more often then not. And it's perfectly all well and good as LONG as you don't get caught, well enough times I guess, but seriously here, how can you sit/stand there and both AGREE that the FSC used pure scare tactics AND yet still endorse them... granted you also admit that you "don't always agree with everything they do"
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Originally Posted by pornlaw
I will be meeting with Diane and will be passing along your arguments.
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That's great and all, but it would prolly do a bit better by doing a simple search here on the MANY other threads about the FSC and take it ALL to Diane, not that it will make much difference, what can they really do....
(1) Give back the money that was unfairly gained under misrepresentation of both membership "benefits" or the contents of their own "charter"....
can't have that, we all should have read the fine print and had our own legal teams
(2) Actually put their .. well our money where their mouths are and DO what they claimed they would do for the ONLINE industry
Well SURE we can do all that and more.... but were gonna need MORE of your money... but this time we've changed scouts honor!
(3) Release the "Pro FSC" people on the board and give us canned responses and DODGE any and ALL valid issues we may have
Hmmm, sounds easy, and hell were good at it too
(4) The Almighty Epiphany...
never gonna happen, there's no money in honesty.
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Originally Posted by pornlaw
However, I am still of the belief that you do not throw out the baby with the bath water like Mike South would like to do. There are changes that should be made. Change occurs slowly especially in a group run by consensus.
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Your honer, what my colleague is trying to say is that Mike south hates babies AND bathwater.... all jokes aside (it's late and I'm a funny guy lol) Theres a valid reason to want to throw the baby out with the bathwater in this respect, imagine trying to get people to like Hitler after the holocaust (I'm NOT calling the FSC Hitler mind you lol) How much would it take to convince people to give him say one more chance?
Same thing here (on much smaller scale mind you) in respects to the online porn faction the FSC told us all there were "showers and food" and we just needed to sign up and pay 'um. then we'd all be safe and snug and sealed in a magical list that would never be seen
sorry, again it's just too easy.
All be it an extreme example can you see the truth in it? how does one "fix" mistrust, misrepresentation, and exploitation? How does an industry give them a second chance, knowing what a clusterfuck the first went, and that literally the FSC got away with it, they got our money, and we got squat.
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Originally Posted by pornlaw
I do not always agree with everything that the FSC does, but I also do not feel that this industry -- online or brick and mortar -- can do without an industry trade group. If the online industry feels, as a collective, under-represented by FSC, why hasnt this aspect of the industry started their own trade association. Most industries have several trade associations.
Its going to take more time and yes more money to get accomplished what needs to be accomplished before there is a radical shift in people's perceptions about porn and online porn especially.
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First off a POSSIBLE answer to WHY "This aspect" of the industry has not gone out and created such an org. lies in the fact that too many of the people involved do NOT take this as a biz. it's not a "job" or a "career" it's a "quick buck
" it's a "Party
" It's a chance for "Free porn
" and because of that mentality WHY would anyone waste their time?
Another thing I keep in mind is that in a industry built on lies, scams, and tricks and the money FLOWED like wine, WHY would they really want to "clean it up" and put on a public face" that would SHOW the public who they were, what they did and (when applicable) how they fucked them over.
The brick porn has already been doing that same thing for AGES theres really nothing FOR THEM TO HIDE, (less some drugs and taxes for some) but all in all they stand out in the public day after day trying to change the way people view adult entertainment, and adult sexual aides.
The FSC should have NEVER gotten involved with online porn, at the very LEAST a leg should have been created UNDER the main corp. that would handle this side, so at the very least again, we would have had some sort of better representation then we've gotten thus far.
And to all of you who would say:
"Do you have a better idea" "do something about it yourself" "fuck you" or whatever else, ask yourself this question
How would you be different RIGHT NOW, if there was NO FSC for your online porn, meaning would you feel any different about your rights, money, freedom etc?
Seems to me, if we can mostly agree that they've done nothing for us, why the hell could we say something like "better to have them then no one"
-Loki-