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Originally Posted by MetaMan
What kind of tool only believe in science?
What kind of tool believes in no God?
look around you, do you think that no greater power created the universe? how brilliant and insanely intertwined the entire universe is?
just because you have a belief does not mean you have to belong to an organized religion, i am against organized religion.
you are human, you are worthless, you do not matter in the grand scheme of things you only matter in the fact that you are connected and apart of a bigger picture in which your ego will not even let you understand until you make an attempt to let go of almost everything you were once taught and approach thinking with the fact that you truly know nothing.
that is all.
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Firstly, trusting in science or believing in a god are not mutually exclusive and the fact that you are proceeding from the assumption of this false dichotomy sets apocryphal limitations on the construction of your argument.
Secondly, just because a system, i.e. the universe seems too complex for you to comprehend does not mean that is can not be understood and therefore must be relegated to the realm of the supernatural. Science has been slowly and steadily chipping away at this supposedly "irreducibly complex" area of knowledge for a few thousand years now and is ever accelerating.
In fact, there are several plausible theories as to how the universe arose, but to full appreciate them you need to have a decent understanding of several complicated concepts including string theory, particle physics, cosmology and possess a high degree of mathematical skill.
Remember that the mammalian brain (ours) has evolved to both recognize patterns (even when there are none) and quickly categorize our environment. Spirituality and religiosity also evolved to help us fill in the gaps of our knowledge so that the world did not seem so disorderly.... and this "god of the gaps" has existed to this day. We used to think that the sun was carried across the sky by a god in a chariot. Why? Because we needed an explanation and had none based in reality.
Now we have similar, if more complicated, gaps; such as "Where did the universe come from?" But just because we do not have answers to these questions now doesn't mean we will never have them.
But enough about the universe, what about this god that you speak of?
God is defined in many different ways by different people.
Is your god an conscious entity?
Is it natural (created as part of the universe) or supernatural?
If it is supernatural, where did it come from? Where does it reside? What created your god?
You can never really have an "ultimate mover" as something will have had created that as well.
We could really get into this with pages and pages and books and books of writing, but I don't have the time to write it and you probably don't want to read it.
As for your existentialist attitude, I agree, in the grand scheme of the universe we are completely meaningless. If this planet was completely destroyed the universe would carry on just fine without us. However, I'm a pragmatic existentialist so while I believe that our lives are ultimately meaningless to the universe we ARE here, and thus should do the best we can to ensure that the qualities and characteristics that transcend the individual continue to exist. It's our responsibility as humans to further humanity as much as possible during our incredibly short lives.
But only challenging the "god of the gaps" and other "easy and wrong" explanations for the universe around us can we hope to ever understand it.
Ok, I need to get back to work....

Oh and I probably should have proofread this, but whatever =p