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Old 09-29-2008, 07:05 PM  
StuartD
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Fail is too general a term.
Some would consider that just getting to the point where a bailout is even considered, they've failed.
Others, like many in this thread, think that the US needs to cease to exist on a map to have failed.

No, the US won't be wiped off the map but at the same time, it's roads are no longer paved in gold.
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