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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn
I know this is silly of me to keep buying into this double talk and circular (il)logic, but I will play ball with you a little more for the sake of argument. First of all who the fuck has ever even heard of a private tracker? Hardly anyone and I doubt any pay site members are clamoring such such a utility to access content that they legitimately paid for when they can simply log into the site with a browser and download all they want.
But let's say I took your advice and set one up a private tracker that had sufficient security such that only members with a password could use it. Essentially, it's just another way for members with a legitimate password to get access to the content instead of using a html browser to log into a pay site and download the content, right? So if I set that up would that mean you would now agree that a pay site owner had fulfilled his "fair use responsibility", and that they could then start suing the pants off of everyone who used other means to distribute the content like torrents or rapidshare or whatever?
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the private tracker would be exactly like the public tracker except that you would login to get access to the torrent stream. a session cookie would disallow acess to the stream.
if you want an example look at tvtorrents.com i have to setup an account, if i am not logged in then i get the message not authorized on my torrent client. it still free, however to get access for back and recovery purposes/ acess shifting/ timeshifting i would have to signup for a month to your site. AFter i cancel i would still be able to access the content i paid for, however i would not be allowed to have access to the content i did not pay for. See that the difference, the public tracker doesn't care, but exists in a grey area because they don't have access to your membership list to be able to tell the difference, they must trust people to not access the content without paying for it.
those people (the ones who are fraudlently gaining access to your content) are the ones you are complaining about and they can't access the torrent stream thru the private tracker. Since you can now prove that all people who have a fair use right to the content are being serviced fully by your private tracker at the same cost as the public tracker (for free) you can prove there is no fair use right in the public tracker torrent. This make shutting down the illegal distribution so much easier.
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I mean, is this your whole goal with all your stupid arguments, to promote the use of a "private tracker" whatever the fuck that is? I really don't understand your point about me not wanting to set up a "private tracker" as if it was going to hurt my business.
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and that the point you look at the tracker in the same way as a membership site, something people have to pay you to access. If would be free, just limited to the content you previously bought.
look at bang bros they give you access to like 10,000 hours of porn for you monthly membership. if they setup a private tracker, i could join for a month, which would grant me a right to that 10,000 hours. if i quit i still would have access to all that content thru the private tracker, i would just be prevented to getting this weeks updates. But if the new girl doesn't interest me, i don't have to reup to get my jerk off fix. I still have access to all the content that convinced me to join in the first place FOREVER.
you would carve off all the people who are paying you $10 a month not because they really care about the new porn but because they just want access to the archive of content they really didn't have a chance to get to view in the timeslice you set (the term of the membership).
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I mean, I film some content, I put it on DVD, make a pay site or make video clips available for individual sale and try to give people a good value for their dollar. I want them to be able to download the videos and pics and enjoy it and jerk off to it. Why wouldn't I? The only problem a studio or site owner has is when one person takes the videos they paid $10 or $24.95 for and distributes them to tens of thousand of other people for free. And it sounds to me every time you make a post like that is exactly what you want to see happen. Don't you realize that's how you come across?
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but that exactly my point, are you interested in stopping those people who are sharing your content to people who never paid you for the content at all, or are you interested in forcing everyone to pay you monopoly prices ($10/month) for fair use access to your content (recovery of the archive THEY PAID FOR after they cancelled).
if you truly believed that 99% of the people were illegally getting access to your content and not recovering access to content they paid for, then setup up a private tracker. You would make a lot more money from the additional signups, then you would lose from the resulting cancelations.
However i believe you are fully aware that you are making more money from charging monopoly prices for fair use distribution even with the lost sales to piracy. And you are actually just pulling the 99% out of your ass to try and justify taking out the only alternative for fair use distribution so you can force everyone to pay you monopoly prices.