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Originally Posted by After Shock Media
This was not meant to be a drama thread. I obviously am not in this for sig views. I also started another poll around same time in regards to pop up blockers.
The answer to the poll I was seeking is when you combine the two polls and look at the info honestly.
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I just think this is another subject that the consumer has no business being privy to. As I have said in other threads...you don't see car dealerships telling all their customers about the thousands of dollars that they "whack" you for on "product" in the backend. You don't see retail stores explaining that their "50% sale" is really 50% off of the 300% markup they did in the beginning. You don't see the phone company, American Express, the airlines, the grocery store, etc., etc. explaining how they really make a good profit. But yet here on GFY it seems to be standard practice to try and sabotage our own business.
Bottom line is x-sells have been around for a long time. And there would be no uproar about them even now if Mitch hadn't come on here a few months back and made a dumb post about it. My icq lit up with people asking me "what is he thinking" when he did that.
So now all these surfers on GFY are commenting on it like it's something new.
Well, again...here's a newsflash. Pre-checked x-sells are nothing new. They aren't destroying the business. Every major company in this business can prove to you that chargebacks are not an issue because despite all this theorizing...the reality is that the majority of people do NOT get angry about it.
Yes, there will be a vocal minority. Yes, there will be an angry email here and there. But the vast majority not only don't get angry...but continue the membership for many months.
There are a LOT worse things going on right now than x-sells. x-sells have always been a part of this business...and one way or another the things that are being called "shady" and "deceptive" have always been a part of all business. See my examples above.
And NO, I'm not gonna talk about things on here. But I can tell you about the past: Aggressive dialers that cost surfers THOUSANDS of dollars just by visiting a website and having a dialer downloaded on them without their knowledge and disconnecting them from their service and re-connecting them at several dollars a minute while they surfed. Or how about the old redirection of urls via geo-ip location? Or the never-ending pop-ups that would actually keep coming so fast that they would burn up all the ram in your machine and cause you to have to hard boot your machine?
THOSE were the real shady things that happened online. Not only in adult but in every online business.
Pre-checks? They are simply a way to make money that should NEVER have been discussed on a public forum with surfers involved. As I have said...you don't see other business revealing their business secrets. But here we are.
And even though you weren't looking for drama...you kinda had to know that since x-sells are the current "flavor of the month" for the doom and gloomers to spout as the "death of the industry" that there would be drama.
I'm starting to believe that the "bad" tube sites and torrent sites are putting people up to making these statements on GFY. lol Think about it: There are actually ignorant people on here who are making the claim that tubes and torrents haven't hurt anybody, but pre-checked x-sells are destroying the business.
Again...pre-checked x-sells have been around for years and years. Everything was fine. Tubes and torrents started posting up entire members areas for free. Sales declined.
Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.