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Old 07-20-2008, 07:01 PM  
commonsense
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve View Post
It's a fallacy to believe that a stadard cross-sell "fucks over" a surfer. How do I know for a fact that it's a fallacy? Because for a given program anywhere from 65% - 85% (ie the majority) or members UNCHECK any pre-checked x-sells, and 10 - 30% of members CHECK unchecked x-sells. What does this mean? It's means that

a) surfers can read
b) surfers are capable of making their own decisions of how they spend their money

How else do I know? I know because most processors have stringent credit and chargeback thresholds that must be maintained. Do you know how easy it is to lose a merchant account of you are too agressive?

There is alot of good information available on GFY, but there is also a MOUNTAIN of uninformed mis-information and blatant lies and fallacy.

In a competitve market like this, the webmaster is ultimately empowered by choice. No affiliate is ever forced into promoting any program nor is it the right of a small number of "activist" webmasters who may promote a certain program to demand a change, since as stated earlier, 99.9% of programs are crystal clear with their terms and conditions as it applies to revshare.

As a webmaster, you can freely choose to promote a revshare program that is free of cross sells, and as Charles from Karups pointed out, there are revshare programs that are setup to PAY on cross sells. I even bet that alot of programs could provide a xsell-free transaction page for someone who asked. At the end of the day, sponsor programs are not reponsible for the due dilligence of the affiliate. Any webmaster who promotes sites on a revshare and who is concerned about xsells, would simple have to ask the program and they would be told what the policy is.

Prechecked hidden cross sales are as shady as it fucking gets. And the only reason it's done is because you can't just bill that member 2-3x. If that was even a possibility, all the prechecked guys would just go back to the old days. You are milking paying members through fraud and chasing them away from future adult purchases online. Your customer base WILL disappear and no longer buy your products, and others will fall with you.


If you think the % that leave the cross sale do it because they really want those FANTASTIC sites and content offered, you are out of your fucking mind. You and I both know that's a bunch of bullshit, driven by profit at ANY cost. But what do you care, if it fails you'll just rebrand the same content and a "new" program.


What's even worse is seeing programs with decent sites add cross sales out of desperation, since their market share continues to shrink. Just part of the downward spiral of criminals in this "business."


But don't for a second pretend that you or anyone with shitty sites and content are providing a "service" to their members by adding deceptive cross sales to cloned members areas and non related products.



Back to the thread at hand, for a Rev share program to just add cross sales of any kind without notice is bullshit. If they feel they need to add them for their survival, fine. But I also need to think about my survival and where I am send members.
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