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Originally Posted by Deej
how else do you explain shogun losing to griffin and not fighting like he ever has...
I understand the skill lvl and endurance and also the fact that shogun wasnt allowed to heel their face or what else hes famous for...
he fought NOTHING Like he usually does and he HASNT been back since...
And then whgen he was submitted you could see in his face and eyes that he regretted even getting in the ring for the lose...
ive never called foul until that fight...
forrest was going down hill... he was losing (in his past fights n such) white neeeded something to bring him back so he looked like a tough fighter... when hes not tough, not compared to who is a real fighters in the octagon... 75% of his weight class could beat his ass...
ive said my piece...
if it were a total fluke that griffin beat Rua... fine... but i dont think it was a "fluke"...
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Most of the Chute Boxe people were on steroids in Japan. That and the fact that they were able to use knees to the head on the ground and stomps made that team almost unstoppable. In the US...no stomps, they have to retrain their ground game = they are not as dominant. Also, there is a reason most of the premier fighters left that camp. Vale Tudo is not as useful in the US where they follow the unified MMA Rules.
Also, even Bas talks about how it is basically impossible to fix a fight. You can't control if you are going to be KO'd by a high kick or not.
In Japan they had fixes like Rampage/Wandi where the ref stood them up while Rampage was busy on the ground is one example. And even Rampage said that he had been asked to take a dive. That was Japan, the US is a little different. I'm sure there are some orgs where fights are fixed, but there is just too much sponsorship money on the table these days for someone like Rampage to throw a fight in the US. I do believe that most of the fighters respect the sport and are trying to legitimize it, not knock it back 20 years.