Originally Posted by Robbie

I think maybe you aren't considering that a LOT of people like to be what you call "abused". To them it isn't abuse at all. And yes...the crying and begging is all part of the sexual turn on for the person that you think is being "abused" I know it sounds crazy but it's true. Max's shit is nasty to ME. But that doesn't mean it's not an incredible turn on for both doms and subs. And basically that's what we're looking at there.
It's nothing more than light domination and subbing without the bondage and extreme S&M that is found on thousands of websites.
I was just at a swinger party that was held in Atlanta...but it wasn't the "normal" swingers party. This one was in a "dungeon" and full of people in the BDSM lifestyle.
There were men hung in the air being beaten by their women and vice-versa. Lots of crying, lots or very REAL pain, a lot of hyperventilating on the ground once the people were let free of their shackles.
Shit was INSANE...to ME. But to these people it was "normal" and in the violence + sex category it makes Max look like a boy scout.
I talked to these people afterwards, and you know what? They are just normal everyday people all week long. One of them was a school teacher!
None of them were "freaky" or had a shit load of piercings or anything and the age group was mostly mid 50's (which made looking at it that much more "ugghhh")
If I had whipped out a video camera and filmed it...I'm guessing that those jurists in Tampa would have convicted me too.
So in closing...I think you guys need to realize we are in the FANTASY business. What a guy like you or me looks at as "abuse" to a woman...is the exact thing that makes that woman have an orgasm when it's being done to them.
And yes...some women DO like to have a person piss in their mouths. I've met them. I didn't piss in their mouths...and I damn sure wasn't gonna kiss 'em LOL, but their are PLENTY of them out there.
And they aren't gonna come on here and proclaim that they like it.
But they are there. And the tears and shit in Max's movie? Again, I'm telling you that you're judging a sex act without understanding it.
I am at the point in life where I'm not interested in judging what does or does not turn people on. It's none of my fucking business. But the girls in Max's films don't show up there JUST for the money. Oh, they definitely do it for the money...but they also do it because it is their specialty to be gagged on cock and vomit and to drink piss.
If you don't believe me, then you need to get out more and see more things because it's true.