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Old 06-07-2008, 01:01 AM  
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays View Post
if you really believe that, then you need to travel more. americans seem to have this naive idea that the USA is the home of "freedom" and all things right in the world. america is no more free or free to make choices than any other developed nation.. america has simply cornered the market on freedom related rhetoric.
Very well said.


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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays View Post
you are comparing the third world to the first world. just because pakistanis or ethiopians want to move here "for a better life and opportunity" doesn't mean the US is somehow a leader in freedom and opportunity. in fact, the USA ranks very poorly by almost any standard from quality of living, to education to infant mortality or any other measurement used to rate countries.

not only that, you position assumes that people aren't also trying to immigrate to all first
world countries for the same reasons. so anyone could be asking the same rhetorical questions as to why people risk their lives to immigrate to european countries or australia or new zealand or anywhere else.
Spot on again.

Africans are POURING into parts of Europe. Why? Because of location. The same reason Mexicans and Cubans come to the USA instead of Spain.

Americans always want to comment about how people want to come here, risking their lives to do so. Bah. It's just because where we are located and the fact we will work them illegally. If the USA and Canada changed places, they would be running into Canada and not the USA.

You never see 1st world country citizens lined up to sneak into the USA. They come here for holiday and return to their home where they live normal lives, just the same as you and me.

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Originally Posted by baddog View Post
Sorry to burst your anti-American bubble, but he wasn't convicted for something he did in the privacy of his bedroom.
Say it ain't so! Did you figure that out all on your own, or did you need some help?

That was my reply to FTP's post about how the USA is great because it has freedom of choice.

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Originally Posted by baddog View Post
I have a personal policy of, if I am guilty I will take a jury trial. If I am innocent, I will let the judge rule.
Why would you be in court in the first place? That is the whole point. You shouldn't be, neither should Max.

How about... don't ever be in that position to begin with.
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