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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl
I was talking country not army.
On the other hand you're talking maybes. Nobody cares how some army could have won some imaginary fight fought in some laboratory conditions it was "designed" to confront.
The reality in the field today is the US is defeated. By a military or by a population or by rampaging rodents, makes no difference. Lost is when you haven't won, and don't know when, or if, you will.
But one thing generals, and apparently forumists refuse yet to learn today, but was taught them the hard way almost 50 years ago, and time and again since : The air battle is part of the battle, but is not the entire battle.
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The only part of America that was defeated was our politicians.
The American Military has gone far beyond what it is for, not just in obliterating target's with surgical precision but handling the politics of the Iraqi's and operating as the only stabilizing force within Iraq for far longer than expected.
Our politicans failed this war but by no means did the military. If you want to call frequent a failed attacks on American soldier's a victory you are very mistaken.
For the number of the few thousand KIA's America has suffered, the Iranian Special forces and veritable insurgent forces the kill ratio is roughly 1 American dead for almost 30 Iranians/Insurgents downed. There has been no military stronger than the American military in the history of the world.