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l0pht was some heavy duty shit, and mudge was and likely to this day still is the all time fucking man when it comes to network security. i remember reading an interview prior to @stake coming to light where he openly stated that he could take down the entire internet if he wanted to. was glad to see him making good with @stake. cDc was always kind of joke, at least in comparison to a group like l0pht, alot of the cDc textfiles were just laughs. you could file them next to the jolly roger and the anarchist cookbook....
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