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Old 03-26-2008, 12:23 PM  
EonBlue
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I'll be sure to give each of those link due consideration at a time that I'm not working, but let me say now that I'm not an alarmist. I'm merely someone that's been paying attention to what the peer-reviewed scientific community has had to say on the matter for the last 30 years.

Nearly all of the evidence gathered in that forum points to the fact that we're in a state of warming, and have been for quite some time. I know there are some politicians and people that might be painting a more dramatic picture than really exists, but that doesn't mean we should totally disregard the science behind the conclusion in reaction to any feelings of being duped by those dramatists.

I guess I was incorrect in saying I'm not an alarmist... because, in a sense I am... it bothers me, to a significant degree, that people seem to disregard peer-reviewed articles on scientific matters over that of what a blogger or start-up program or even single scientist (often sponsored by big oil) might have to say on the matter... and, being a scientifically-minded individual interested in the acquisition of knowledge, I feel it's my duty to sound the alarm when I witness what I consider the dispersal of blatant misinformation, contrary to what science is really telling us.

Though I've been keeping an eye on the science of global climate change for well over 20 years now (the subject first struck my interest as a kid in Jr. High), I've recently done some extensive old-school fact-digging on the subject: I went to the Los Angeles Central Public Library to perform research on an scientific research paper I was writing in relation to the status quo of the Polar Bear a few years ago (before Mr. Gore's movie), and the amount of data that's there - in their science department - on the subject of global climate change, collected over the last few decades, fills up shelves upon shelves upon shelves. I also skimmed over countless periodicals: papers and articles published in peer-reviewed journals - many of which touched on or dwelt on the idea that the climate is currently in a state of change and, overall, is engaged in a warming trend. All in all, I must have spent some 120 hours in hard research.

In all that time, honestly, I can't recall a single paper or shred of peer-reviewed information that said the Earth was not warming, or what mankind is doing is having no affect on the state of his environment. However, as I said, there was plenty of information saying things are getting warmer, and even more saying that man is affecting his environment _at least_ to peril of other species.

One downfall of the internet, I think, is it spreads disinformation just as quickly as it can spread any other type of information. Much as I intend to go over those articles you linked, I'd encourage you to find peer-reviewed sources that back up the assertion that the climate is not in a state of significant warming...

or simply go to a central library and check the experience out for yourself.
As much as you'd like to think I'm a complete idiot and that I believe everything I read without question I'd have to say you are wrong. I too have been studying this topic for almost 20 years inlcuding in university where I majored in geography with courses in atmosphere, climate, geology and statistics.

I don't deny that there has been warming and I never have. I used to believe that warming was caused by man and that it was bad. In light of newer evidence I no longer believe either of those things. My opinions change when the facts change and right now the facts don't add up to man-made catastrophic global warming.

The sites I have provided are not run by armchair bloggers or casual observers of the debate. These are serious people doing serious work and ignoring them in favour of sensationalism and alarmism in the news and from politicians is a huge mistake.

Take this site, that I forgot to add to list, for example:

http://www.climateaudit.org/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Audit)

It is run by Stephen McIntyre, one of the guys who debunked the famous hockey stick graph and discovered an error in the GISS data that removed 1998 from being the warmest year on record.

If you want to disregard people like him that's your choice, but then you can't say that you are open to new information.

You sound like a smart guy but now that you've thrown out the "big oil" argument and called evidence that is contrary to what you believe "blatant misinformation" I seriously doubt that you are interested in the "acquisition of knowledge" at all. The "big oil" argument is often used by people suffering from cognitive dissonance who don't want to be bothered with "inconvenient" information that might challenge their view of things.

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