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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx
I know what you are talking about. Knowing BJJ is one thing, making it second nature is a whole other subject Brock cant touch!! Take downs is his expertise not submisions and playing guard. I am a fucking stud on the ground and im really good at wrestling take downs, but a half ass college wrestler will take me down almost at will!! I can submit them just as fast, but i still will get dropped.. I have traded submissions for take downs so many times. The art of the take down is so technical and complex it took me 5 years of working it after BJJ class and weekends with wrestlers. About 12 hours a week for 5 years before i got really good and was using it at a competitive level. (it was competing at the Pam-Am level for BJJ and college wrestling was my edge over my Brazilian competitors)..
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Trust me, I know. My takedowns are atrocious.
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And you are going to convince me that this guy is going to be good at submissions, in one year??? and if so what submissions? you and i know there are a stupid amount of submissions out there!! And what about sweeps and reverseus? Transitions? You cant learn and absorb more than 3 moves in a class...
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Couple of factors to weigh in. He's training with Eric Paulson, the Father of Leglocks. That's the point I'm trying to make. It's been said all over the place, he's a monster on the mats, and after over a year traiing with Paulson, he can't do a simple defend? Free foot on the ass, push. The kneebar was really low, and he could have easily gotten out. I doubt he's trained, and the talk was bullshit. If that is the case, Lesnar isn't going very far, and is another case of Mark Coleman. Takedown, and ground and pound guy.
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Keep in mind, MMA covers so much more than just BJJ.. how much time spent on striking? something he never did before. Kicking? Cage control? Wrestling, i will give him..lol
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I agree, the skillsets are way more than just BJJ. However, again, 2 years of training by Lesnar. Inasmuch of a physical specimen he is, and former champion, 2 years is a long enough time to learn his game. Let's face it, Lesnar is cut from the same cloth as Randleman and Coleman. Take them down, ground and pound. One dimensional.
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Doing it with your training partner, in the studio is one thing, doing it to someone that is trying to do it to you is another story!!
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Oh I know. I watch my first fight to remind myself of it all the time.
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I like Brock and would like to see him do good, but he is in to deep too fast. I have seen it happen a million times. Keep in mind Brock had a very serious scared look on his face when he tapped! The "I do not now what to do" look on his face. Brocks confidence is damaged big time..
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100% AGREE!
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As for Kimbo Slice i know him and his camp, he is getting brought up right. he has been training hard MMA for 3+ years. 3 more years we will see. His fights are chosen carefully. Kimbos confidence increases with every fight.
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That's why Kimbo will be a bigger draw in the future than Lesnar. Kimbo is not only learning the game, he's using it.
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No disrespect, i love your posts and threads. It brings me back to the old school BJJ boards i used to post on... Just sharing my opinion with some of my insight from my personal experience. 
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Valeu Dave, it's always good to have a vet and a BJJ Black Belt to bounce thoughts with!