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Old 02-05-2003, 08:40 PM  
wonton
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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
It's hard for me to justify wasting my time on this with you, but oh well...
Time to read some books for a change, Ace. Your understanding of reality is lacking.

1q) Osama Bin Laden, son of Bush Sr.'s business partner and our former ally turns "evil" in the last ten years.
1a) Son, Dad...two different people.

No kidding. This brief comment was meant to underscore the involved alliances between these two families, between which hundreds of billions of dollars worth of contracts flow. Imagine if Hitler had a family in 1939 and President Roosevelt and his father were caught in business dealings with "The Hitlers". Try to understand that from a historical context. If the Bush-Bin Laden family ties do not disturb you then you a sad and naive individual with no capacity to think for yourself.

2q) He sends his minions to the US and arms them with very menacing (not!) box cutters!
2a) Good luck sending them on planes with AK47s.

The vast majority of commercial pilots are former military men. The standard box cutter has a blade that is about two inches long. It does not even qualify as a weapon. If someone tried to mug you with a box cutter you would probably laugh in his face. That four guys armed with nothing more than box cutters could over power a flight crew, 100 passengers and two military-trained pilots is a big stretch. That they could do this in four separate incidents is the stuff of bad movies. Again, if this does not raise questions in your mind, then you maybe lacking one.

4q) They manage to fly these airliners, with pinpoint accuracy
4a) Weird how pilots hit a runway 10,000+ times a day, how do they do it?!?!

Maybe with years of training? Most of the 911 hijackers supposedly trained for a few weeks on microsoft flight simulator and supposedly read some manuals. Not exactly the same thing.

5q) some of the MOST PROTECTED airspace in the world
5a) protected from outside invading planes, which we detect via radar. These were UNITED STATES COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS, hardly high-flying planes with nuclear payloads.

You are totally misinformed on this one. The airspace around Washington D.C. is specifically protected against any type of plane from any source that enters it's airspace. When that small cessna crashed into the whitehouse (flying below radar) when Clintion was in office the Pentagon made a big hubub about revising their plans to protect the airspace. The media even ran a special on all their new procedures on CNN. They specifically have active plans on shooting down COMMERCIAL PLANES if the need arises. All of these procedures were basically ignored on 911.

6q) While they are doing that , the pentagon decides on that day to ignore their regular procedures and does not scramble jets for a full hour (they scrambled jets in 15 mins when golfer Payne Stewart's lear jet went off course in 2000).
6a) Too idiotic to warrant a response.

Of course. Because you cannot refute a glaring inconsitency. Trying to dismiss this as idiocy only highlights your own.

7q) After the four passenger planes hit their targets, we are told by the FBI within 24 hours that a team of middle eastern men did it, based on finding their passports in the rubble of the WTC, which all miraculously landed in one spot (intact). The middle easterners in question were never even listed in the fight manifest but so what.
7a) Hmm, why oh why didn't we expect Canadians to be the culprits behind this? BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON TO WHAT SO EVER! There was plenty of evidence BEFORE these attacks to show that the people that did these attacks had hatred towards the US. Middle houses known (they admit to it) terrorist groups, Canada (just an example) doesn't.

Do you not find it odd that virtually everthing on the planes that hit the WTC and virtually everything in the WTC itself basically disintigrated. Teams searched for months and came up with little to nothing. Yet on the very first day, the FBi manages to find 13 passports in pristine condition. Have you read any of the thousands of articles that talk about law enforcement planting evidence - department after department. City after city, including the feds. While I am not saying that that the FBI definitely faked the discovery of these passports, you would have to be a fool not to investigate the question.

> I hope you're done with your bullshit by now...you've been shut > down by facts on numerous occasions by myself and others. > Just end your ranting and raving and save yourself the > embarrasment.

You have not shut down anything. And I find it interesting that you yourself do not quote a single fact from ANY source. You simply list your opinions and try to pass those off as "facts". I, on the other hand, have quoted numerous articles, books and videos and have provided links to back up my claims. I then add in my personal opinions to build on those facts. If you examine our positions objectively, you will find that your position is the one that reeks of classic bovine scatology - not mine.


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