Originally Posted by sortie

There obviously is "a limit" since the law exist. Somebody is going to press the issue to find the limit and they should be ready for the consequences.

We'd all like a clear line to know how far we can go but that clear line would also be a limit of expression and no one would want that either.

It's clear that there is a limit where it appears to be activity that no one would reasonably submit too. And just because some desparate person with no money does submit, does not mean it is "reasonable".

The jury just thought nobody except a desparate person or fool would submit to being bascially chocked repeatedly by something in their throat.
Not necessarily a fact, but they had to decide the fact.