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Old 10-21-2007, 08:32 AM  
Angie77
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I don't think anyone (but the ignorant) are saying we evolved from apes... evolutionary theory claims that we share a common ancestor with other primates, not that we're a more evolved form of any extant species.

If you look at the genetic record, you begin to notice patterns... patterns that suggest all life on this planet shares a common ancestor... you can track the progress of evolutionary development... single cell organisms, then single cell organisms working together (a modern-day example of this is the found in any plant as chloroplasts have different genetic sequences than the material in each cells nucleus), and multicellular life was born. Cells begin to specialize, and reproduce with the whole organism... nervous systems get more complex... notochords come into existence, and vertebrates slowly make their way out of the water. I could probably make this one paragraph about 50 pages long, but I won't do that to you. Maybe if you're ever in L.A. and want to buy me a beer...

Instead, I'll just say that I'm not sure what "real science" you're referring to as backing up your fantasy of spontaneous generation... as someone who pays attention to such things, you sound like someone who doesn't have a grasp of the actual science involved.

There's tons of evidence - genetic, and that of the fossil record, that supports the theory of macroevolution. Don't forget that we've been here a very very very long time. Longer than some minds can grasp.

I also don't think that the actual science would claim that we're the most evolved species on the planet... in fact, peer-reviewed papers in Journals such as Nature refute that idea all the time. Hell, just a couple of months ago, the idea that chimps are more evolved that humans was discussed in this very forum, and supported by the idea that they have an extra pair of chromosomes, which allow them greater opportunity at mutation.

The fossil record seems to support the idea of evolution. I don't think you have any real idea of the science involved with evolutionary biology, as you're making a lot of statements that any first-year Premed student could point out as blatantly false:

The scientific idea that "we came from monkeys" (no scientist thinks that - it's a creationists' slant), we're the most evolved species in the planet (no one's saying that, either... just maybe we're the most fortunate), "We would never accept that previous humans were as smart as" (a blantant false statement - in fact, we feel that they were very intelligent, and recent (as in like 2 weeks ago 'recent') evidence shows that they had spoken language)... and then there's the "theory vs. fact" statement you made.

I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but RE: "theory vs. fact": any scientist knows that _everything_ is a theory. That's how science has worked since the dawn of man. What's considered "truth" is found in philosophy, and, in that regard, we're still busy trying to figure out if we're even capable of perceiving "reality" at all. Everything we perceive is a "theory"... we move forward through a process of falsification... we examine the facts, and come up with a theory that accounts for all the facts, and is able to make predictions. Then we keep that theory as the generally accepted theory until observations undeniably contradict the predictions of the theory, or another theory comes along that makes all the predictions the old theory did, but is also able to make predictions that the first theory wasn't able to.

That is science. That is how we learn. We're a species that observes patterns.

You seem like a thinker, man... but you also seem to have a lot of misconceptions driving your thoughts. Try and correct for those.
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