Originally Posted by dig420

it's not a project that I want to organize, and I also don't network and socialize like I used to because so many webmasters are just people I have no interest in knowing or ever being around given the state of the business these days... it would be more of a project for a large company that provides webmaster services, has great contacts and whom webmasters want to impress. I just want to contribute to it.

ie a billing company.

For those who said these guys are the tip of the iceberg, once this type of traffic theft is declared illegal all it takes after that is a lawsuit to prove they're doing it, not that what they're doing is illegal. That will already have been established, which makes the whole process simple. Traffic buyers, at that point, will also share culpability. I think then what needs to happen WILL happen and people who engage in this type of activity will go to jail. Which is where thieves belong.

If something like this doesn't happen, and soon, what you're going to experience is a total free-for-all (if that isn't already happening) where webmasters who WANT to be honest and do biz like it's supposed to be done will have to throw up their hands and start getting dirty just to stay in the game. If someone is stealing a large percentage of your joins by targeting your domain, what are you gonna do? You're going to have to go bid on your domain yourself, then you'll bid on who you think is stealing from you and then it's just going to escalate from there, until you're no better than the first person in the chain.