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Originally Posted by valetudo
You seem to know a lot about MMA which would indicate to me that you know comparing stalling on the ground to regain your cardio in BJJ is not the same thing as stalling on the ground in a match where you can be hit. Besides, if you stall now you're stood up.
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yeah but it takes a few minutes to stand them up. The longest break you get in boxing is 60 seconds between rounds. I can stay in side mount, throw some slappy punches and make it last the whole round and if I'm not getting my cardio back, at least I'm not losing much and I can kill time and save everything for a last surge.
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Originally Posted by valetudo
Sherk challenged Floyd but Floyd said after the match he enjoys MMA but would never fight in it. Cintron couldn't sell PPVs to make him worth the millions. I wish he could though, that guy would be awesome to see in MMA. He was also a state champion wrestler in HS.
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yeah it's a money thing, no argument there. Dana won't pay a boxer in his prime a comparable enough prize to make it worth him getting in the cage. He SAYS he will, but when it comes down to signing on the dotted line he makes excuses. Why would Floyd fight MMA when he's making $7 MILLION per fight in his own sport? That's a LOT of money man... and he has nothing to gain by getting in the cage where he knows he's gonna be taken down right away unless he can invest in two or three years of MMA training time first. Kermit would probably fight for 200k, but that's still a ton of money by MMA standards and Dana doesn't think it's worth it.
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Originally Posted by valetudo
The difference between a boxer going to MMA and an MMAer going to boxing is this:
A boxer adapting to MMA throws away years of technique learned in boxing because it's useless in an MMA bout. There's no reason for an MMAer to overtrain boxing because there's really no use.
An MMAer going to boxing would be throwing away years of his jiu-jitsu, wrestling, muay thai, etc..
A wrestler going to MMA throws away years of what he learned because many wrestling techniques are useless in MMA.
An MMAer going to wrestling throws away years of his boxing, muay thai, jiu jitsu.
Some things would transfer, but a lot probably not.
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Can't disagree with any of that.
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The "good blue belt with good hands" thing is fading away pretty quick. That was true years ago but these guys are getting raped now and I'm glad to see it.
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It's still valid. How long has it been since you've seen Chuck defending himself on the ground? Technically, all you REALLY need as a boxer in MMA is not to get taken down
Going no-gi with punches thrown in means a lot of BJJ technique gets thrown out the window, which is why you see absolute monsters on the street or on the mat losing in the cage. The sweaty skin means no grip, the punches means you can't really take your time to set up anything. It's all a crazy scramble and your best asset is your base and your ability to stay on top. Submissions are usually very simple because the complicated stuff ain't going to happen. Teach a world class boxer how to resist a takedown and how to scramble back to his feet after being taken down and he would be competitive almost right away. Give him a couple years of training and he could be dominant.
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Originally Posted by valetudo
I wouldn't say being top in the world at boxing is harder than boxing top in the world at judo, wrestling, or jiu-jitsu. The technique and dedication required are similar.
I respect a boxer's skill just the same as I respect Cael Sanderson, Karelin, or Jacare's and Marcelinho Garcia's. They train hours every day to perfect the technique in the sport they like.
As far as your boxing experience being more exhausting than your mixed martial arts experience, I dunno what to say. Most people I know feel the same way as me, I'm sure some don't. Being new to any sport will always be more tiring despite your cardio efforts, but I don't know your background so I won't try to say.
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I'm a BJJ blue belt and like most BJJ guys I've trained throwing hands too, but I'm certainly not a master of either sport... I just have a better acquaintance with them than most people. We'll have to agree to disagree on this point. IMHO boxing is much harder to train, it's far far FAR more painful in the training process and you just about have to insane to make it and I think most top class boxers are, in fact, insane. BJJ is FUN to train once you're in decent shape. Boxing hurts. In fact I won't even train full contact boxing anymore, I get a headache when I get hit and the blunt trauma to the head is too dangerous if you don't plan to make a living from it.