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RawAlex · 10-06-2007, 08:16 AM

Gideon, you are attempting to take 0.000001% cases an broad brush the entire torrent and p2p system with it.

Your right to timeshift applies only to what you record. You may not obtain it from any other source than the original broadcast source. If you didn't record it, you don't have the right to it. Now, nobody is going to complain it you neighbor lends you a tape so you can see the show you missed because you forgot to pay your power bill. But there is a significant difference between that act and your neighbor making 1000 copies and giving them away at the local supermarket.

You don't have "fair use" beyond what you recorded yourself. If you have equipment failure or were unable to watch more than one channel at a time, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. You didn't gain the rights to obtain in any manner shows that may have been broadcast when you were a cable subscriber. You get to watch one show (and I think rogers will allow you to connect multiple non-digital TVs to their system) and record as many as you like and are willing to pay to record.

You don't have the right to go online and download everything that was on every channel. You only had the right to watch it and record it (or tivo it) when it was presented.

Everything else you say is 100% total bullshit, not backed up by any law. There is no "recovery of a right to view" law for TV.

Software is the same thing. You may have the right to obtain a backup copy from the manufacture. Provided you send the defective media back to the manufacture, I am sure they will send you another copy. Your "right" extends only to your ability to make your own backups. There is no "it must be online to download from the manufacture or I can steal a copy" law.

I really don't know where you get this shit from. There is no "recovery from third party" rights, there is no "right to everything even if you never watched it" rights, and there is no "make widely available online because someone else MIGHT be allowed to use this" rights. Each one of those things would require that the third party break the copyright and violate the limited license they received to do it.

Rather than just talking in circles, can you point to, quote, and explain the laws and judgements you think give you all the rights? Betamax has already been looked at by the courts in the Grokster case and declare irrelevant, so you will need something a little stronger and on point.

Me thinks your entire argument is bullshit you learn on torrent forums.

10-06-2007, 08:16 AM
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Gideon, you are attempting to take 0.000001% cases an broad brush the entire torrent and p2p system with it. Your right to timeshift applies only to what you record. You may not obtain it from any other source than the original broadcast source. If you didn't record it, you don't have the right to it. Now, nobody is going to complain it you neighbor lends you a tape so you can see the show you missed because you forgot to pay your power bill. But there is a significant difference between that act and your neighbor making 1000 copies and giving them away at the local supermarket. You don't have "fair use" beyond what you recorded yourself. If you have equipment failure or were unable to watch more than one channel at a time, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. You didn't gain the rights to obtain in any manner shows that may have been broadcast when you were a cable subscriber. You get to watch one show (and I think rogers will allow you to connect multiple non-digital TVs to their system) and record as many as you like and are willing to pay to record. You don't have the right to go online and download everything that was on every channel. You only had the right to watch it and record it (or tivo it) when it was presented. Everything else you say is 100% total bullshit, not backed up by any law. There is no "recovery of a right to view" law for TV. Software is the same thing. You may have the right to obtain a backup copy from the manufacture. Provided you send the defective media back to the manufacture, I am sure they will send you another copy. Your "right" extends only to your ability to make your own backups. There is no "it must be online to download from the manufacture or I can steal a copy" law. I really don't know where you get this shit from. There is no "recovery from third party" rights, there is no "right to everything even if you never watched it" rights, and there is no "make widely available online because someone else MIGHT be allowed to use this" rights. Each one of those things would require that the third party break the copyright and violate the limited license they received to do it. Rather than just talking in circles, can you point to, quote, and explain the laws and judgements you think give you all the rights? Betamax has already been looked at by the courts in the Grokster case and declare irrelevant, so you will need something a little stronger and on point. Me thinks your entire argument is bullshit you learn on torrent forums.