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Old 02-02-2003, 10:06 AM  
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Originally posted by wonton



Your first question is a good one. Here is the answer to that one and I might address your other points in another response.

The US did not topple Bagdhad in 1991 for two major reasons:

1- At the time, the US had to drag the arab world (except Kuwait) kicking and screaming into the war. They made major concessions to these nations. These countries were adamant that the US should NOT take over a major arab country like Iraq but simply expel Iraq from Kuwait like the UN resolution called for. At the time, it would have been an international political nightmare if the US marched into Baghdad. The arab world, even the rest of the world, was just not "ready" for such a dramatic manouver. Plus the hypocracy of such a move would have been amplified - Iraq just took over Kuwait so now the US does the exact same thing and takes over Iraq?

2- The biggest reason we did not march into Baghdad is that Bush Sr. was trying hard to lick the "Vietnam Syndrome" in the US. He knew that high American causaulties would be a nightmare and would cause a widespread anti-war movement. Invading a major city is the most dangerous type of warfare. House to house fighting results in high causalties on both sides. There is no way in hell that the American public was ready for such a thing, especially since the whole war was ostensibly to rescue one arab dictorship from another arab dictatorship.
The reason we did not topple Sadam, and did not totally destroy his military in 1991 is very simple. We wanted to leave him with enough power to deter the Iranians from attempting an invasion of Iraq. Geo political balance of power. The "Vietnam Syndrome" or a high casualty count had nothing to do with the decision. There would not have been a high casualty count on the US side as the Iraqi's simply did not and do not have the ability to fight. Very poorly led, very poorly trained, and technologically outmatched in 1991 and the same applies today but even more so.


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So what is different this time? Everything! At the end of the first gulf war, the US created the so-called "no fly zones" that cut off huge swath's of Iraq at the north and south and pretty much put these areas under US control. These "no fly zones" are in contravention to international law. They are not part of the UN reslolutions are blatantly illegal. But that is besides the point. For the past 12 years, the US has been mercilessly bombing Iraq into total submission. Economic sanctions has pummelled the civilian population. Iraq is so weak right now that a squad of plastic GI Joe's (the ones with Kung Fu grip) could defeat them. During the past 12 years, US intelligence has been trainging two large armies on Iraqi territory - Kurds in the north and Shiites in the south. The plan, as was openly described on Fox News by several 5-star generals, is to have these "freedom fighters" do all of the dirty fighting in Baghdad. They will be the ones who intially go house to house. Of course most of the video you will eventually see on CNN will be of US soldiers mopping up what's left of the Republican gaurd in downtown Baghdad (after the Kurds and Shiites do most of the hard work). It will all be made to look quick and easy and indeed there will be minimal US causalties. As for the "freedom fighters" think Bay of Pigs to foretell their fate.
The "no fly" zones were established to prevent Sadam from waging further killing of the Shites in the South and the Kurds in the North as he was in the process of doing.

The US has not been "mercilessly bombing Iraq into submission" for the past 12 years. If that were the case then there would not be anything left standing in Iraq. The US and the British aircraft that patrol the "no fly zone" have knocked out air defenses along the border of the two "no fly zones" that have either lite up the patroling aircraft and were tracking them as targets, or in fact fired upon the patroling aircraft.

The US has not been training two large Armies in Southern, or Northern Iraq. Iraq's military forces have access to the North and access to the South and exercise that access. It was not that long ago that they were holding military excercises along the Kuwaite border in a show of force. It is only their fighter aircraft and attack helicopters that are not allowed into the "no fly" zones.

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In addition to training spearhead armies, the last 12 years of bombing Saddam has enabled the US to create the necessary propaganda wave and prime the US population to topple Baghdad. This effort has managed to keep the "bogey man" Saddam on TV for over a decade. The US propaganda machine has drilled it into our heads that Saddam is pure evil. That he is a major problem. The plan to take over Iraq has been 12 years in the making. The day the no-fly zones were initially set up was the day the decision was taken. The Bushies (Sr. and Jr.) are not the only ones pulling the strings. They pull some of the strings but not all of them. The military-industrial establishment of Oliver Stone fame (now you can ridicule my post) is indeed independant from democratic control and has been for decades. They don't give a shit who the president is - Republican or Democrat does not make much of a difference. There is always an agenda and the agenda gets played out according to the most opportune timeline. Now is the time for the invasion of the primary oil-producing countries in the world - Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. It will all play out over the next decade.

So we'll get the oil. There is no question about that. But we will likely get something else - more terrorism directed against us. And future attacks may make 911 look like a walk in the park. But if ya wanna rule the world, sometime ya gotta pay yer dues.
As for the rest of your misinformation...are you sure that you are not Massivecock?
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