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Originally Posted by directfiesta
fine ...
You have death penalty ???
You can answer yes, because you are one of 6 countries ( of the whole world ) that have that cruel punishment :
* 1. China (at least 1,010 but sources suggest the real tally is between 7,500 and 8,000)[11]
* 2. Iran (177)
* 3. Pakistan (82)
* 4. Iraq (at least 65)
* 5. Sudan (at least 65)
* 6. United States (53)
That is state sponsored, right ....
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Yes it is, but it's not because someone is gay or black. The death penalty is used for extremely violent criminals in extreme cases. I am torn on the death penalty issue as I don't necessarily agree that a government should take the life of someone. However, when I hear of a man rape and bury a 6 year old girl alive, it's kind of hard not to wish for some justice.
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Originally Posted by directfiesta
We think it is sick ( aside from all the errors commited ) ... But the USA is YOUR country, so you do as you wish IN your country. The day YOU are fed up, YOU will revolt.
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The death penalty is a state issue in almost all cases. There is no need to revolt against your federal government. Simply move to a state that doesn't have the death penalty. Or vote for politicians who want to abolish it.
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Originally Posted by directfiesta
On gays, we have gay weddings, equal rights, etc ... You don't. So you don't kill them, but you deny any equal rights as other citizens...
But again, it is YOUR Country ....
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And I am one vote in a country of 250 million people. I'm certain you don't agree with every single thing your country does. I don't agree with our laws against homosexuals at all. Unfortunately we have too many religous nuts and anti-gay propoganda to do much these days.
And lets not act like you guys are the bastions of gay rights for the past century. You only passed a law in 2005 that made it legal, and that was only because the courts in your country had already made it legal. Over half your country was against same sex marriages before this was enacted. It's like the US passing all the civil rights laws after the courts had already told them what they were doing was wrong.
But I don't think we will be too far behind you guys. There are a lot of states that want it legalized, and it will happen over the coming years. I wouldn't be surprised to see up to 10 states allowing it in the next 5 years. Since marriage is a state issue, I think you'll always find states supporting it and others not.
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Originally Posted by directfiesta
AS for the lynching, the point was that 50 years in the history of the world is not even as big as a drop in the ocean.. Iran, and the others, will change and evolve with time.
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I don't see how they will evolve without a government setup like ours. Almost all the major changes in civil issues have been brought on by courts or public opinion. Countries in the Middle East don't operate that way, and the people are at the mercy of the decisions made by the people running it.