Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i dont think its dismal at all. i think it is what it is. "to love" as a verb means basically means nothing more than treating someone in a certain way to elicit a response from that person which gives YOU a feeling of safety and security in the relationship... and to cause them to become emotionally dependent on you

i think that "loving someone" is nothing more than manipulation for selfish reasons. of course, its a bit like calling a retarded kid retarded. its not acceptable or politically correct and no doubt, anyone would read that and react with defensive remarks.... but the facts do not change, no matter how we want to dress them up or romanticize them. at the end of the day, we are just baboons trying to get by in life and convince ourselves that we aren't baboons.