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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
your thread was not about options.. it was about setting people up for an "either/or" answer... as if it is a black and white issue with a clear cut answer. its a fuck story now, it was a fuck story before. there is no perfect answer.
Saddam had more than his share of "vicious sectarian slaughters" himself from full out gassing villages, to draining the marshes to wipe out some of the worlds oldest cultures, to strafing crowds of protesters with helicopter gunships.
you can't say he "kept a lid on violence" as if he was just a firm, but fair guy. there was a "lid on violence" because he was continually killing the opposition.
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Nobody knows what really went on in Saddam's Iraq. Most people just speculate. I've never heard of protestors being strafed with gunfire from helicopter gunships. The reality is nobody can put a figure on how many he had killed. I have no doubt it was hundreds of thousands over the course of his rule but is the average Iraqi better off now or then? The only people who really know are the Iraqi's and I'm sure you would find some who loved Saddam and some who didn't. It all depends on whose side you were on.
Like I said, thousands died then and thousands die now. The only difference now are the billions being spent to achieve the same outcome.