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Old 05-05-2007, 01:44 AM  
Paul Markham
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Not really gonna happen Paul on 2257 - it's a waste of time and unenforceable. There was the day where we always complied with 2257 - simply because it looked as tho it was the start of a potential standard, - but sadly it's kinda useless and more a joke than otherwise. Can remember when asking a US LE person about this - she rolled her eyes and gave a dry grin - they have more serious stuff to deal with than playing with paperwork.

Unfortunately 2257 is just playing games - in this case with the US online industry. It really does not do much to capture "perps" who are engaged in underage stuff. These people don't care about 2257 and are only the "front end" of an abusive scenario with kids. If LE went after the producers and all "actual" CP content, there may be a point, but doubt that is the case.
It's all we have to make sure we are selling legal material, until someone comes up with a better system I have to support it. Imagine life without 2257.

I asked a leading person, in the fight against under age porn, about the 2257 visits the FBI are making. Why are they checking the documentation of the people who are THE MOST LIKELY to have it right? Opinion was they do not want to pursue 2257.



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Totally agree on crap content! The general standard of the average paysite is ... well, pitiful.
Until people realise that surfers are not stupid mugs to be conned, the free content will be a problem.


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You think it's small?? (Not talking about the teen market here) Paul - it's *massive*, tho admittedly there are fortunately only a few idiots operating these types of "programs" - and they earn very well. It's like a "legal version of CP" and can be openly promoted "because it is legal" (it ain't - but another story). If you care to have a look (tho it's depressing!) at pedo search terms and the volume of these searches - they match and can exceed what we would consider to be good key phrase numbers for the adult industry. There are one hell of a lot of pedos out there. This type of "styled up" fake CP content is illegal in most western countries - chances are that will be the next "excuse" to attack the main stream adult industry and have the media picking it up and throwing shit - and eventually more laws to kill it.
The reason it's being searched for so much is because it's hard to find, so you have to keep searching. The big money is in sites like mine, no problem promoting them, getting paid or complying to the law and being visible. Run something illegal and it all those things become a problem. Not saying it does not exist, just saying it's blown out of proportion.


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Again - totally agree Don't matter which sponsor program - 90% is taken up by inactive or poor performing affiliates and 10% actually do the biz. At the same time, that 90% consume more time and resources than the productive webmasters - makes ya wonder
Until we as an industry realise that diverting resources away from the product to the guys who will never send enough sign ups to warrant the effort we will suffer as a whole.

This is the odds of a newbie affiliate making more than $300 a week.

I CAN PUT TRAINED PEOPLE IN A ROOM DRIVING TRAFFIC 8 HOURS A DAY FOR $250 A WEEK. Go figure it out.

IMO The traffic is divided, if you have it in volume you are in, if you don't the cost of getting enough to earn $300 a week is so high no sponsor is investing in in house affiliates in the new EU Eastern Bloc countries. they are investing in webcams, shooters, programmers and other support from the Eastern bloc.
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