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Old 04-20-2007, 12:33 AM  
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FYI, i'm not a flamer so chill out a bit. please read post again more carefully.
Fair enough Bdiddy - my tolerance level of human waste is nada hence the response.

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I said the government, not the current administration, running smoothly could be beneficial. The sinking of the dollar is a perfect example of how things NOT running smoothly, can hurt others. Look beyond your own borders if you are not effected by the diminishing dollar.
Sure.. it's one of my main gripes that the level of fiscal incompetence has reduced the dollar to being a waste of time. There were many excellent opportunities, but they were washed down the drain - and at a fast rate.

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The system of a democratic republic isn't a failure because of privatization of the govt, corruption, and moronic leaders that may have occurred over the past several decades. Allow me to quote myself, "What also distresses me is the complacent/ignorant attitudes" - Bdiddy. Which is the system which allows said corruption, etc to thrive.
Mmmm... not a lot of comment on that - suspect some elements are good and some bad. Corruption is everywhere - not just in govt - it's a human trait :-) But in biz life, it's refreshing to deal with folks who are not corrupt and transparent in their biz conduct. Know one guy who recently turned down $2mill in "bribes" - gotta take a hat off to him!


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As a matter of fact I did and I have told you that before. Please cite instances (not flaming) and will agree if you're correct.

However, when you have studied history as I have, you would KNOW that there are very few civilizations (dead or alive) whose hands are clean in that regard.
This refers to the role of the US govt in other nations with involvement in torture and whatever? OK... No.. we are not talking about the Native American - yet another story - but in more recent times.

OK.. Will cover a segment of history (it's far too long) - ask any surviving member families of the thousands who were killed or tortured in Chile. Ask them who trained their torturers and who watched on during torture sessions. This is all well-recorded and plenty examples on the net and not in dispute.

Check out an organization which was based in Panama, but thrown out and is now fully based at Fort Benning - Georgia. It was called the "School of the Americas", but changed it's name for obvious reasons to "WHINSEC" - or the "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation" Sound grand and noble?

This organization was the element responsible for the training of torturers in other nations. Almost all dictators who subsequently became a problem, (particularly in South/Central America) to their citizens attended SOA. Their principal military officers also were trained in torture techniques by the US govt.

There is of course much more, from CIA involvement in killings and other noble acts you would expect from a Christian nation - everything from drugs trafficking to weapons support (btw.. this was at the same time they were locking kids up in the states for drugs offenses).

Unfortunately, that wealth of experience in torture is still continuing in several of these countries and (not got the figures for this year), but last year resulted in a considerable number of killings of young women by placing plastic bags over their heads and waiting for them to die - then dumping them at roadsides. A prime example is in Guatamala and the good news is that a group of US-trained torturers (put in to manage that country at the time) have recently been arrested for several of these offenses.

SOA was evicted from Panama some time ago now - but the inheritance left both in Panama and all of Latin/South America will not be forgotten.

More recently, the current administration attempted once again, to form a "law enforcement school" in Latin America to train others - but, wisely this kind offer was rejected. Some folks have had enough of the abuse of the US govt.

There is plenty documentation covering this subject - and this is only based on the South American region alone - we could go global, but pointless. You don't have to agree if it is correct or not - it's a fact of life and commonly known, but maybe not too popular on CNN USA or FOX.
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