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Mutt · 12-29-2002, 03:08 PM

good thread. the only people who know the truth about this are the people who own the paysites and the cc processors. The rest of it is all 'broken telephone' gossip about retention rates, membership counts.

An no Roger, all the big programs have not tried everything. You couldn't run a site like Amateur Teen Kingdom in your program, i'm assuming with your business model once webmaster affiliate payouts are done, overhead of running your business etc that it's not a big margin you're working on. Sites like ATK spend a FORTUNE on content every month, as do the new reality porn sites. Sites like Hustler can do it paying out 30 bucks per signup because they are in the content business.

you can also fall flat on your face, have shitty retention rates, even with spending a fortune on exclusive content. I've heard from people i trust who do shoot exclusive content that their retention rates aren't much better than what everybody here is talking about. So i don't discount the school of thought that retention rates suck and are about the same whether you've got a Mercedes Benz of a members area or a piece of shit members area.

and for you guys who think all the big boy programs have shitty
members areas - you're wrong. Do they have exclusive content, most don't have much if any but the MaxCash and Cybererotica members areas are BIG - surfers aren't getting ripped in those programs - both those companies buy practically everything available to be licensed. So surfers get a ton of stuff to choose from. I do think the surfers are getting more and more finicky, they want what they want - whatever the niche. They are in control now, they were so totally fucked over as hundreds of million were made it's almost like every time a surfer cancels on a trial he's laughing at the whole adult biz ''Nyah nyah na na na........YOUR CREDIT CARD WILL NEVER BE BILLED THIS IS ONLY FOR AGE VERFICATION PURPOSES........ahahahahhahah............guess what fucker? i just downloaded your whole fucking site for 1.99! Payback's a bitch ain't it!"

I think you will see the big programs going more and more to exclusive content, if a member's area for a big company like CE
is costing them 50,000 a month, they might find that spending that 50,000 on exclusive might be better in the end and getting rid of most of the plugin and filler content.

There is always going to be a scorched earth way of thinking with this business, nobody cares about how anything done today affects the future. Nothing anybody can do to change that.

12-29-2002, 03:08 PM
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	good thread. the only people who know the truth about this are the people who own the paysites and the cc processors. The rest of it is all 'broken telephone' gossip about retention rates, membership counts. An no Roger, all the big programs have not tried everything. You couldn't run a site like Amateur Teen Kingdom in your program, i'm assuming with your business model once webmaster affiliate payouts are done, overhead of running your business etc that it's not a big margin you're working on. Sites like ATK spend a FORTUNE on content every month, as do the new reality porn sites. Sites like Hustler can do it paying out 30 bucks per signup because they are in the content business. you can also fall flat on your face, have shitty retention rates, even with spending a fortune on exclusive content. I've heard from people i trust who do shoot exclusive content that their retention rates aren't much better than what everybody here is talking about. So i don't discount the school of thought that retention rates suck and are about the same whether you've got a Mercedes Benz of a members area or a piece of shit members area. and for you guys who think all the big boy programs have shitty members areas - you're wrong. Do they have exclusive content, most don't have much if any but the MaxCash and Cybererotica members areas are BIG - surfers aren't getting ripped in those programs - both those companies buy practically everything available to be licensed. So surfers get a ton of stuff to choose from. I do think the surfers are getting more and more finicky, they want what they want - whatever the niche. They are in control now, they were so totally fucked over as hundreds of million were made it's almost like every time a surfer cancels on a trial he's laughing at the whole adult biz ''Nyah nyah na na na........YOUR CREDIT CARD WILL NEVER BE BILLED THIS IS ONLY FOR AGE VERFICATION PURPOSES........ahahahahhahah............guess what fucker? i just downloaded your whole fucking site for 1.99! Payback's a bitch ain't it!" I think you will see the big programs going more and more to exclusive content, if a member's area for a big company like CE is costing them 50,000 a month, they might find that spending that 50,000 on exclusive might be better in the end and getting rid of most of the plugin and filler content. There is always going to be a scorched earth way of thinking with this business, nobody cares about how anything done today affects the future. Nothing anybody can do to change that. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!