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dasexi1 · 12-28-2002, 11:05 AM

Excellent article!
I started out as a Designer in this biz back in 99' but after dealing with all the bullshit from a lot of the Adult webmasters I just stopped, I found no joy in designing it became a chore. Some webmasters were so shady that I had to start making all webmasters pay in full before I would even begin the work because even with a contract it was difficult to get all the payments.

After a while I just said fuck it and made my mind up to only design sites for myself and main stream clients. Of course i was lucky to have been able to work for Onprobation.com so I got to learn a lot about this biz before i jumped into it on my own. The best advise I got from Q'on was "I'm not telling you, go research it and learn on your own, you'll thank me later" I'm sure not every designer is cut out to be a webmaster but for me it works.

As far as these contests go I agree that these ones posted on the board by some webmasters are a waste of time. I hate seeing designers go after that shit like it's crack
the one posted the other day offering $35. for the best banner design...i mean really are ya'll designers, or crack ho's wtf? Do you need $35. THAT bad?

Take some pride in your work. If you need to build your portfolio do that first, find a couple well respected names in the biz, tell them your trying to build your portfolio offer to do a couple free banners or a logo or what ever else you might need for your portfolio, under the condition that they will give you a reference if needed and not tell that you did the work for free, make it clear that if they want work from you in the future they will have to pay full price. You can easily have a nice portfolio in one week. Then go out get real clients and charge what your skills are worth. The little bit of free work you've done will pay for itself in no time, and it's much better then under bidding all other designers, just to build your portfolio. Once you start doing that people expect it and return clients won't understand why you are charging more now then you were last month. You only hurt yourself by lowering your prices.

12-28-2002, 11:05 AM
dasexi1 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: if i told you, then THEY'D know Posts: 934	Excellent article! I started out as a Designer in this biz back in 99' but after dealing with all the bullshit from a lot of the Adult webmasters I just stopped, I found no joy in designing it became a chore. Some webmasters were so shady that I had to start making all webmasters pay in full before I would even begin the work because even with a contract it was difficult to get all the payments. After a while I just said fuck it and made my mind up to only design sites for myself and main stream clients. Of course i was lucky to have been able to work for Onprobation.com so I got to learn a lot about this biz before i jumped into it on my own. The best advise I got from Q'on was "I'm not telling you, go research it and learn on your own, you'll thank me later" I'm sure not every designer is cut out to be a webmaster but for me it works. As far as these contests go I agree that these ones posted on the board by some webmasters are a waste of time. I hate seeing designers go after that shit like it's crack the one posted the other day offering $35. for the best banner design...i mean really are ya'll designers, or crack ho's wtf? Do you need $35. THAT bad? Take some pride in your work. If you need to build your portfolio do that first, find a couple well respected names in the biz, tell them your trying to build your portfolio offer to do a couple free banners or a logo or what ever else you might need for your portfolio, under the condition that they will give you a reference if needed and not tell that you did the work for free, make it clear that if they want work from you in the future they will have to pay full price. You can easily have a nice portfolio in one week. Then go out get real clients and charge what your skills are worth. The little bit of free work you've done will pay for itself in no time, and it's much better then under bidding all other designers, just to build your portfolio. Once you start doing that people expect it and return clients won't understand why you are charging more now then you were last month. You only hurt yourself by lowering your prices.