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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster
He won't be the last person they make an example out of.
We're expecting the big poker stars who have interests in some of the big online sites to be hit next.
People like Chris Ferguson, part owner of Tiltware (the software makers of FullTilt) Howard Lederer part owner of Full Tilt, Doyle Brunson (Doyle's Room) etc.
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I'd put my money on some of the sportsbook folks taking it up the ass too, with Calvin on the top of the list.
As to all these comments about how the US is in the wrong here, that's not necessarily the case. Frankly, if LeFebvre were driving the getaway car for a bank robber in New Jersey, he'd be guilty no matter what country he was from, no?
Account deposit gambling has been illegal since 1961, a little thing called the Wire Act.
The ONLY legitimate off premise gambling in the US -- or involving US citizens in the process -- is horse racing, due to the IHRA -- and the money bet MUST go into the pari-mutuel pool, not into a booked account.
You can go and live in any country you want to, you can run your business from any country you want to, but at the end of the day, if you deal with (or are) an American citizen, you are subject to the laws of the US.
Once again, the IHRA is the reason for the WTO decision in Antigua v. United States, and that has specific clauses in it that create the legality. Calling your bookie, or betting on horse racing in most sports books online, is ILLEGAL if you are a US citizen or you are using the US banking system to place the bets.
The difference in going to a sportsbook in Vegas is very cut and dry. You place a bet, one wager, one payment into the book. You win the bet, you collect, one payment out of the book. Multiple bets are treated as different bets, with different payments into and out of the system. Casino sportsbooks also don't take IOUs or credit cards the last time I checked -- you get your own cash out of the ATM and bet with that.
When you use a credit card, a bank account, or any other non-cash instrument of funding to create an account -- one with a balance that is not immediately applied to a single bet or paid out as if it is a single bet, then you are handling account deposits and that is illegal here.