Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

we will never come close to understanding it until we no longer follow time..

we all know everything has a start and a finish and there cant be something from nothing,

but we also know we exist therefore we must be wrong about the first 3 things we know .. = loop

Originally Posted by borked

That's not exactly true - ....etc

Originally Posted by borked

but on your point toward the room for God in Science - I disagree. Science fails because we cannot comprehend or understand two simple values:

Zero and Infinity

everything in between can be rationalised and determined experimentally. But for those two absolute values is exactly where God comes in, only because it comforts us in explaining the inexplicable.

--edit, so what I was trying to say, is that there is no room for God IN science, only outside it.