Originally Posted by thinkx

its a fully automatic, after 4 machines I can only say: get a automatic and get a good one, anything under $800 or so is crap and will fall apart.

This Jura has 2 built in cleaning programs. One after and before every cup to clean the group. One after X amount of cups to clean the whole machine. Put in a cleaning tablet, press a button and thats it. Itll automatically soak the tablet, clean the whole group, tubes etc. Built in waterfilter etc.

Juras are amazing. Theyre there from say 1000 to 3k if you want one that automatically foams milk etc, the Z5, but thats more a pro machine.

http://www.gilkatho.com.au/shop/Scri...?idproduct=156

Thats the Z5, $3600 aussie $